Plant Based Diet Thread

[Nobody]

...I watched this one, it really is good!

Thanks for posting. Yes it wasn't that long ago that it was hard to find studies showing the link between animal products and kidney damage/disease.

[Nobody]

Also Dr K is back on the DHA/EPA supplements.

I didn't comment on Dr K changing his mind even though I didn't agree with him and still don't take DHA or EPA supplements. I even try to limit my linseed to 12g or less a day since I know it increases my LDL cholesterol. Jeff Nelson is good at getting to the bottom of issues and seems to have done it again with a rebuttal of Dr K's video above.

[Nobody]

I've heard the same argument below from Doug Lisle and it makes a lot of sense. But there is a gaping hole in the argument. That is that humans almost always aren't in our natural environment. So it can't be instinctive for us. We have to learn what to eat and how much for optimum health - which inronically she teaches. For example, the majority of us - especially me - won't do well on an all nut, seed, coconut and avacado diet (to take the point to the extreme). So we shouldn't have to weigh our veg, or even our fruit if we are healthy. But for certain foods, it's probably a good idea to. For example, I followed her advice and ate a lot more seeds - effectively to taste - and found my LDL cholesterol went up from 1.6 to 2.6 (or higher than desirable range of < 2.5).

To make this as basic as possible. If a particular food has a Cal density of more than 1 Cal per gram, then I'd be more careful about the estimated quantity. The higher the Cal density and fat content - any types of fat - the more likely I would be to weigh or measure it out.

[Nobody]

A Vegan Diet Isn’t ‘Manly’ Enough For Australian Men, Study Finds - Plant Based News

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Another video on bowel movement frequency, consistency etc. How much fibre we should be eating a day. Also a brief history of some pioneering scientists/educators/doctors and the food types they thought were the cause of people's health problems.

[Nobody]

Went to the hospital to get a venesection for my iron loading. As usual they took my blood pressure (BP) and it was quite low at 95/61, which I think is the lowest it has measured in the hospital. It has taken almost 10 years to get to that level though. And as usual we had to then have the conversation about my BP being too low. In which I explained the reason is that I don't eat a typical rubbish diet. Anyway this started a conversation between the three nurses there and then one finally asked me what I ate. I also asked them to check my chart as I historically had low BP, which one did and then were satisfied I wasn't going the faint on them. It's sad that the average BP of people they see of my age is so high that I look like the freak to them.

There are a number of drivers of high BP. The main short term ones are sodium intake (increases hydration, therefore blood volume), fat intake (reduces blood flow) and being overweight (more vascular system for the heart to have to feed). The obvious long term one is vacular damage over the years caused by an inflammatory diet.

I can't remember if I mentioned it, but I also had some blood tests in mid May. The specialist said they were normal as far as she was concerned and "essentially normal" from the blood tester's commentary. But I still think they needed improvement. I was still technically anemic and my liver markers were higher than my normal, so didn't post the results. I also got some more blood tests yesterday. I'm expecting the results from them in about a week or two. Hoping for some improvements, but not expecting them.

I'm also due for another liver echo scan to see what's happening with the tumors. Hoping for no evidence of futher growth. I should get that done in the next month or two.

[warthog1]

Your bp is way better than mine Nobody well done.

I hope your liver tumours are not growing.

I am still off meat apart from fish. That is the best I am going to do but don't mind it.

[Nobody]

Thanks for posting. Thanks also for the compliment, but you know you can't compare your BP with mine since I don't appear to have a genetic predisposition to hypertension. As you also know - but for others reading - my BP is potentially what a normal person could achieve by eating a low fat WFPB diet for many years and also avoid caffeine and salt.

As for the tumours, I feel better than a year ago thanks. But that's an anecdote. I need the scan to be sure. If growth is shown to be haulted, then that will be an achievement. If so, I'll post what I did and the reasoning behind it.

I am still off meat apart from fish. That is the best I am going to do but don't mind it.

Yeah fish would be my choice if I had to go back onto animal products. That is small fish that has less bio-accumulated toxins. The main problems that should stop me though is the promotion of tumour growth and more heme iron absorption. Both big problems for me.

[warthog1]

Thanks for posting. Thanks also for the compliment, but you know you can't compare your BP with mine since I don't appear to have a genetic predisposition to hypertension. As you also know - but for others reading - my BP is potentially what a normal person could achieve by eating a low fat WFPB diet for many years and also avoid caffeine and salt.

As for the tumours, I feel better than a year ago thanks. But that's an anecdote. I need the scan to be sure. If growth is shown to be haulted, then that will be an achievement. If so, I'll post what I did and the reasoning behind it.

I am still off meat apart from fish. That is the best I am going to do but don't mind it.

Yeah fish would be my choice if I had to go back onto animal products. That is small fish that has less bio-accumulated toxins. The main problems that should stop me though is the promotion of tumour growth and more heme iron absorption. Both big problems for me.

Fantastic effort mate with all the research and diet experimentation you have done.
Your posts and this thread have definitely encouraged me to change my diet for the better, so thank you.

[Nobody]

Your posts and this thread have definitely encouraged me to change my diet for the better, so thank you.

You're welcome. Thanks for the feedback. It's people like yourself I do it for. We don't all need to be extreme to make improvements. Although some may have to if their battling a serious illness. Speaking of which, below is an inspirational video for people in that situation.

[Nobody]

My annual ultrasound report below.

On a positive note, it shows what can be achieved to combat tumour growth with diet therapy.

On the negative side, it also shows what can happen when one stops being meticulous about iron intake with haemochromatosis.

I need to achieve a better balance, which I think I can do and have already started. Another year will tell for sure. But I've also found that blood tests can also give me a shorter term indication.

[Nobody]

I thought this one was worth posting as it shows just how critical every piece of food is to gain or (in particular) lose health.



In addition there is also the aspect - not mentioned in the video - that a single bite can also lead to going down a revertive path that is usually very difficult to claw back from.

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Worth a watch

Better Than Rice? Traditional Crops That Taste Good, Can Resist Drought & Floods | Forgotten Palate




Hybrid Purple Rice That Is More Nutritious, Can Better Weather Climate Change? | Forgotten Palate



Cant do high protein high gluten wheat (go for buck wheat and pulse flours ) or starchy white rice ( go for aged brown basmati) anymore just bland and not so sure they are so good for the belly....

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This is 5 years old but I still learnt something from it. That being that raw diets that have added B12 are at least sightly healthier than cooked WFPB diets. IMO it's probably more than slightly if you have cancer.



Below is my diet. As usual, still a work in progress. Currently 93% raw by Cal and the only cooked part is frozen corn. Even though I don't cook it, to my knowledge it comes blanched at 68 degC to kill the enzymes before freezing. So to raw food people, technically cooked.



Hosted by Google photos, so I don't know how long it will be before it's deleted. I should get another hosting service...

[Nobody]

Plant-Based Diets Support Athletic Performance

Abstract of the study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37869973/

It was over 10 years ago now, but I certainly noticed that big efforts on the bike up hills were easier after changing to a plant only diet.

[warthog1]

Plant-Based Diets Support Athletic Performance

Abstract of the study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37869973/

It was over 10 years ago now, but I certainly noticed that big efforts on the bike up hills were easier after changing to a plant only diet.

I definitely went backwards up our local 20min climb when I tried it.
Wasn't well planned and I was probably in calorie deficit. Added a minute or two to the climb though.

[Nobody]

Is Ultra Processed Unhealthy? New Study On Link Between Vegan Alternatives And Disease - Plant Based News

I find the article hard to believe. But the results are what they are. Good news for those that have robust health.

[Nobody]

There are two aspects of psychology which come to mind when it comes to the self deception with diet. Both are commented on in the video above and at least one study has been done on the "I've got a good diet" self deception, even if people don't actually have a good diet. I can't find the reference for it though, or what they called it.

The other aspect is in the following link which is the saying "the greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is illusion of knowledge". It relates to our life-long exposure to diet misinformation/marketing by the food industries. So when people try to teach us more accurate, but differing information from what we've been indoctrinated with, we usually reject it. Although not a simple explanation, they are both probably related to Agnotology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology

https://www.quora.com/What-did-Hawking- ... -knowledge

[warthog1]

Interesting short vid here.
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/flaxse ... te-cancer/



I have been adding this to my morning oats for several years, largely courtesy of info provided by our OP.
Have a familial hx of Ca including prostate Ca. Seems it is helpful to reduce the risk of it.

[am50em]

I have been adding flaxseed to my oats for last couple of years.
Hopefully helping to lower blood pressure, improve cholesterol levels and improve blood sugar.

[Nobody]

Firstly I apologize for any harm done by encouraging people to add any more total fat to their diet in any form.



Even some grains can raise cholesterol in some people. Esselstyn says if you're eating well and your cholesterol is still high, try cuttings all grains. Then add a grain back one at a time, then blood test after a period of time. It may be helpful advice, but it sounds like a lot of cholesterol testing is going to be involved before one finds the answer. Anyway, see for yourself what he says about it starting at 36:20 in the video below.



In rating foods for healthiness, Greger would say, "compared to what?". Studies for nuts and seeds are typically based on people with poor diets. So the substitution or "offset effect" could be the major beneficial effect.

I no longer eat overt plant fats regularly. The reason being that the intake of just seeds - about 70g/d - raised my LDL cholesterol from 1.6 (good) to 2.6 (outside normal range). That's why obtaining the optimum diet for an individual is more complex than just adding foods that appear to show a significant benefit to the average wealthy populations with generally poor diets. We need to look at the overall picture as well. There is a scientifically based argument as to why it would be beneficial to add ground flax seeds to one's diet to balance omega-6 fat intake and keep the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fats to less than 3:1 (like inflammation reduction). However it may be just better to lower/eliminate the omega-6 fat intake in the first place.

The article below shows the progression of atherosclerosis in humans and herbivore animals with saturated, mono or polyunsaturated oils. My results above show that this can apply to whole foods as well.
https://dresselstyn.com/site/is_oil_healthy.pdf


IMO Greger can be led too literally by the recent available science on some subjects, without looking at the bigger picture. in doing so he can lead us all astray. The video below points to the bigger picture as older science has shown.

[Nobody]

Having posted the above doesn't mean I believe I have the answers. Below is a study that shows that people with higher cholesterol performed better cognitively than those with lower cholesterol. Assuming the below study is trustworthy, then on one hand I could be reducing my cognitive performance by keeping my cholesterol low. On the other hand I could be harming my brain long term by keeping cholesterol high from higher fat intake.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15673620/


The video below is long and has too much detail IMO. But he does explain the mechanisms of why he believes fat intake contributes to dementia.