The Vuelta!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby stevenaaus » Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:48 pm
Nice to see Sepp Kuss having a ball in the limelight.
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby blizzard » Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:41 pm
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby davehirst » Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:56 pm
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby MichaelB » Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:14 am
2 teams both have 3 riders in the top 10 - TJV & UAE !!!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby fat and old » Sat Sep 09, 2023 6:08 am
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Re: The Vuelta!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby find_bruce » Sat Sep 09, 2023 2:03 pm
Yep, no need to think about whether he can make it back from there. Does he try for stages or accept that his race is over & abandon?
JV are in a very strong position monopolising the podium. Having survived the TT, Kuss is a great place - there are riders who would attack a team mate, regardless of how much work he has put in for them over the years, but it doesn't seem that Roglic & Vinegaard think that way.
I'm thinking it's up to Ayuso, Mas & Soler to attack & it's only if they succeed in breaking Kuss that Roglic & Vinegaard will take the fight up
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Re: The Vuelta!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby stevenaaus » Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:10 pm
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Re: The Vuelta!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby MichaelB » Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:42 am
The bad stage would really dent his power to demand a proper GT team …
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby stevenaaus » Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:16 pm
.... But I guess he just took it easy yesterday after he realised he was cracked.
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Re: The Vuelta!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby MichaelB » Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:08 am
Think it was a mental crack rather than anything else and then spat the dummy.find_bruce wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:39 pmI don't believe in miraculous recoveries - it was only slightly more believable than stage 17 of the TdF in 2006. This is an occasion when I'd be glad to be wrong
Got read the riot act that night and now pulled his head in trying to salvage something.
He seems like when he is good, he's brilliant, but when he's not, he's average.
At least he didn't climb off the bike like Lopez (?)
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby DernyDriver » Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:53 am
My take on it:MichaelB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:08 amThink it was a mental crack rather than anything else and then spat the dummy.find_bruce wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:39 pmI don't believe in miraculous recoveries - it was only slightly more believable than stage 17 of the TdF in 2006. This is an occasion when I'd be glad to be wrong
Got read the riot act that night and now pulled his head in trying to salvage something.
He seems like when he is good, he's brilliant, but when he's not, he's average.
At least he didn't climb off the bike like Lopez (?)
Remco lost the red leaders jersey a few days a go and has realised that he's probably racing for 4th place on GC. The 3 Jumbo riders, Roglic, Kuss and Vingegaard are going to go 1-2-3. Or at the very least, one of them will win the Giro. Now you or I would be happy with 4th place on GC, or even 3rd ....Remco has been told since he was 15 years old that he is the pride of Belgium, the next Eddie Merckx. He wants to WIN, not come 2nd. He is a dual world champ, winner of heaps of races. He doesnt want a top 10 GC result, it means nothing to him.
Now 1 of 2 things happened
1. The team hatched a plan to have an easy day on Stage 14, lose time and save Remco's legs. Let the GC riders smash themselves, Remco rides easy tempo and has an easy day. Remco said after Stage 15 that he had done reconnaissance on that stage and the team had identified it as one which suited him for a victory. He's already won stage 3 and the team want another stage win. If he loses 30 minutes and then gets in a break ....
2. He's on the queen stage and not feeling great and starts to lose contact with the GC guys. He's thinking to himself that if he's going to lose 2 minutes, he's out of GC contention anyway so he may as well switch off and lose 27 minutes and save his legs for tomorrow, the stage which he had already targetted before the tour began ....
Either way, its clever tactics. Its actually not an uncommon tactic. Dave Sanders, Australias most famous coach said exactly the same thing on facebook yesterday so Im in good company with this theory.
As for the drugs / Floyd Landis thing, there is no comparison. Remco was allowed to go in the break because he was no threat to GC. Landis rode away from a strong chasing field.
If you understand how the biological passport works, then you would not say silly things about drugs. Remco has had the big numbers every since he was a kid. His numbers have always been consistent, unlike our darling Cadel whose passport was always dodgy. If Remco rides like superman every day people scream drugs, if he has a bad day people scream drugs. You can't win. Do some research on the biological passport and then you can enjoy the racing without worrying yourself about imaginary things.
PS people dont like Remco because he's a bit different. He's young and is under enormous pressure. Imagine having the hopes of the greatest cycling nation in the world on your shoulders every day. He's allowed to be who he is.
He didnt speak to the media after the "bad day". So what. he doesnt have to. Just maybe, he didnt want to tell a lie, say he had a bad day when he didnt. Pretend he had no power when he did, he was just saving it.
Who knows? I like him. He an amazing cyclist, the likes of which we have not seen in a long time. Remco, Van der Poel and Wout van Aert are once in a lifetime champions and we are lucky to have them and be able to watch how brilliant they are (IMHO)
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby fat and old » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:49 pm
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby MichaelB » Thu Sep 14, 2023 7:15 pm
Hahahaha, but his comments are good.fat and old wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:49 pmI have to know Derny....was it the mention of Landis that got you posting again?
In Bali atm, so have to watch stages when I get home, but Angliru would have been amazing !!
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby DernyDriver » Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:11 am
haha no mate ..... I just saw dozens of punters on social media piling on Remco after his "bad" stage ...which annoyed me because anyone is allowed to have a bad day. Then he won the next day which really baffled the boofheadsfat and old wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:49 pmI have to know Derny....was it the mention of Landis that got you posting again?
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby fat and old » Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:43 am
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby MichaelB » Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:01 pm
I reckon he would.fat and old wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:43 amLooking more like Kuss will take this. JV takes absolute bragging rights then! And makes a key dom stay forever.
But will Roglic take it on the chin ?
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby fat and old » Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:28 am
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Re: The Vuelta!
Postby MichaelB » Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:48 am
Whilst Roglic and Jonas would have loved to have win as planned, the positive press and internal harmony is something that will reward them long term.
I would be surprised if Sepp goes to another team but hopefully he gets the leader role on shorter stage races as a reward
Looking fwd to watching the stages when I get back home
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