2023 TdF
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby DavidS » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:35 pm
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby Mububban » Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:12 am
Imagine being as good as Jai Hindley, and just getting abslutely smoked on those climbs by the top 2 They are on a different level
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:02 pm
Anyway, can't do anything about that and it is close, so good to watch.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby vosadrian » Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:54 pm
It seems to me that Pogacar came in a little undone with virtually no racing coming in. But I think that first summit finish was what he needed to wake the legs up, and he seems there now! It feels like the tide has turned and JV must be pretty anxious about how to defend.
They have not got the two pronged attack they had last year (unless they repurpose Sepp) that forced Pogacar to have to defend multiple attackers. They have easily the strongest team, and can isolate Pog, but all he has to do is mark JV. They tried using the team to burn up Pog, but that backfired and they just set up for Pog to attack JV, so doubt they will try that again. I think their tactic will be more defensive now. Accept that Pog can go with JV, and try to get JV as close to the finish with team support to limit time losses to late attacks.
I wonder if the tide will swing?
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:20 pm
Even Wout is out the back at the moment!
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby MichaelB » Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:13 am
Good win for BV (despite the sport washing etc) with the passing of Gino.
The battle for the last spot on the podium is hot !
I’d love to see a completely different podium. Pog & Jonas have many GT’s ahead of them. Wouldn’t hurt for them to miss out on one now.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:40 am
Bloody spectators flying their flags in front of the riders, or running alongside them, are very annoying though.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:42 pm
A bit of a worry for Caleb though
https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/ca ... /h6fr03s57
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby DavidS » Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:39 pm
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby blizzard » Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:39 am
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby Warnesy » Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:41 pm
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby JPB » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:34 pm
Is it just international bogans or is there some other deep significance?
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby Warnesy » Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:47 pm
Is there a story? Now i'm curious. My kids thought it was hilarious when the saw with his butt hanging out alongside the riders...
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:48 am
TT after the rest day. It is short but still could be quite decisive.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby vbplease » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:19 am
Yes, gutted for Caleb.. it must be demoralising when your competition (Jasper) is a level above.. and fighting through the mountain stages.. but would be nice to see Caleb battle through a bit more.warthog1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:42 pmA bit of a worry for Caleb though
https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/ca ... /h6fr03s57
What do you think of the team's manager comment?
"I guess the problem in the legs were in the brain today."
Maybe a little insensitive, but its hard to know the full story and what he's going through.. that's nothing compared to Lefevere's criticism of Sam Bennett.. “women who return home after domestic abuse”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... nnett-jibe
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:26 am
From the the team manager's perspective, it is a stack of money spent and a lot of other athletes who have trained to support him. It would be hugely disappointing.vbplease wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:19 amYes, gutted for Caleb.. it must be demoralising when your competition (Jasper) is a level above.. and fighting through the mountain stages.. but would be nice to see Caleb battle through a bit more.warthog1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:42 pmA bit of a worry for Caleb though
https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/ca ... /h6fr03s57
What do you think of the team's manager comment?
"I guess the problem in the legs were in the brain today."
Maybe a little insensitive, but its hard to know the full story and what he's going through.. that's nothing compared to Lefevere's criticism of Sam Bennett.. “women who return home after domestic abuse”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... nnett-jibe
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby vosadrian » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:52 pm
I agree the Pog did not look as strong. JV seemed to have his measure on the accelerations. JV seems to be very consistent. Pog seems to be awesome when he is on, but then struggle when he is not. I suspect the tide is turning back in JV's favour. He is probably stronger on TT also.
I'm barracking for Pog though. I like his racing style. He seems to be just out having fun every day. It's almost a shame to see him manage his efforts compared to last year.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:09 pm
l like the Pog too and hope he wins. JV seems like a good person, just not as entertaining to watch, so not too worried either way. JV is very focussed.vosadrian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:52 pm
I agree the Pog did not look as strong. JV seemed to have his measure on the accelerations. JV seems to be very consistent. Pog seems to be awesome when he is on, but then struggle when he is not. I suspect the tide is turning back in JV's favour. He is probably stronger on TT also.
I'm barracking for Pog though. I like his racing style. He seems to be just out having fun every day. It's almost a shame to see him manage his efforts compared to last year.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby blizzard » Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:55 pm
Also I was reading JV in the posts as Jumbo Visma, which had me confused for a second.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby Mububban » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:20 pm
Summary:
2022 winning time - 41min 53sec
Slowest rider that year (sprinter) - 57min 01sec
GCN ex pro who was not taking it easy - 1hr 6min
The poor old "slow" sprinters who "struggle" climbing in the mountains are still absolutely flogging even talented riders. Just compare how fast Hank is going past the regular riders, and he's almost 10 minutes behind the slowest Tour rider! And the GCN host was only doing the Alpe d'Huez segment, whereas the 2022 riders had to first get over the Col de Galibier and Col de Col de la Croix de Fer before even beginning Alpe d'Huez.
Mental. Absolutely mental.
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:33 am
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Re: 2023 TdF
Postby MichaelB » Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:39 am
He certainly smoked 'em !!
Not over yet though, and I'm sure Pog isn't one to take it lying down ! Think he'd rather fall off the podium trying than settle for second !
S Yates did a good ITT, but didn't gain any places. Jai seems to be suffering, but still doing well
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