Llewellyn Discus Colossus build thread !

[warthog1]

It’s a double PFBB !!you can get a spare rim from Hunt though. Only $722. Or a whole wheelset for $430 more ….

Can you get a deeper wheelset from Hunt at a similar price (not bad!)?
You wont notice a deeper rear wheel in terms of handling.
You then have a deep front wheel for the still days if you feel the need for speed.

[MichaelB]

Seems like they only sell wheelsets, not individual wheels.

Have just swapped back to the 52mm Token Konax wheelset, so just need calm days til I get the ICAN build completed

[warthog1]

Just chuck the undamaged Hunt in the front if it is windy maybe?

More time on the deeper wheels and they will become less of an issue imo.
50mm seems about the going rate these days and is almost considered a shallow wheelset for some.

What is the plan with the Hunts now, can you not get a rim?

[MichaelB]

Just standing by to standby.

Concentrating on the ICAN build and go from there.

Imho, 50mm is useless for descending or riding in gusty conditions. Did it once and scared the bejeesus out of me.

Edit: spending $722 on just a rim is not a sensible option.

[familyguy]

I knew I'd seen this before for a reason:

[MichaelB]

I knew I'd seen this before for a reason:

Just gotta marry up the right dimensions ....

[warthog1]

Imho, 50mm is useless for descending or riding in gusty conditions. Did it once and scared the bejeesus out of me.

Edit: spending $722 on just a rim is not a sensible option.

We are all different.
My TCR lives on 50mm rims. The S5 has 404s which are 58mm.
I still have the 85mm token tubulars I used to race on in Mildura.
You do feel those but they are fast.
Never took them out due to wind as they are so much faster than the aluminium goers that were the alternative.
The 404s and Prime 50mm I honestly almost do not feel regardless of the wind.
>40k km on them.
It's just time on them.

Yeah if you don't care about speed no point I guess.
I ride with some stronger riders at times and need all the help I can get.

[MichaelB]

Returned to the scene of the wheel demolishing crime.

Was doing 50.6km/hr when I hit this beauty



Wheel sitting there to show close up detail. Wasn't that deep, but the leading edge was nice and chunky


That big bit towards the right of the pic is the bit I hit (given the damage was only on the right side of the rim

[foo on patrol]

Returned to the scene of the wheel demolishing crime.

Was doing 50.6km/hr when I hit this beauty



Wheel sitting there to show close up detail. Wasn't that deep, but the leading edge was nice and chunky


That big bit towards the right of the pic is the bit I hit (given the damage was only on the right side of the rim

Send the bill to the Council.

Foo

[MichaelB]

Well, it's 6 days away from its 1st Anniversay of the initial ride - 7th March 2022.

After this mornings nice little ride, the km count on the Tangerine Dream is 3,039, and all blissful.

Only issue soe far, apart from the rear rim, was the LH Crankarm needed to be slightly tightened.

SWEET !!

[MichaelB]

It’s been one of those bike related crap weekends

See the ICAN build thread for the other two, and then on a ride this morning, couldn’t avoid a pothole at speed








Luckily, could ride home albeit carefully.

Staying away from the bike for the rest of the weekend !!!!

Time for an update :
- DIT said it's not up to them, as that road is looked after by XXX Contractor. Contact them.
- Dutifully contacted them, and got a response that it was not them. They don't look after that specific part of that road. Back to DIT
- DIT "Oh sorry, that Fulton Hogan that look after that section". Sent same info to FH.
- After a few emails back and forth, once again, "Not our problem. Inspection on 17th Feb showed no issues as part of our fortnightly check. Must have become a crater after that". Closed.
- More emails to FH. Basically calling them stoopid (politely) and requested Management discussion. That was refused and passed back to DIT. PFBB.
- Missus suggests using House Insurance as they covered bike stack ages ago. Good idea (Now, who is our insurer and the policy # ?)
- Lots of time of phone. Due to a change on insurer contracts, we have no cover. Letter was sent (not received), they had no email and the phone number was eons old an not ours any more). CRAP - fixed that in a HURRY !!!!
- Back to square one.
- Hunt can do a replacement rim at a discount for A$550 landed, but still need to build the wheel. Whole wheelset costs A$1,160 last time I looked

Current option is to buy a new Gravel based wheelset from Hunt (or similar) for about $600, put the homebuilt carbon rims back on the Llewellyn with the 30mm tyres, and put the 52mm deep Token's back in the wheelbag for the calm days.

Either 4 Season Gravel X-Wide at A$599 or 4 Season All-Road at A$568.

Happy for someone to suggest something similar. Looked at a pair of DT Swiss XM1700, but they were boost spacing, so no good (and would even consider investing in the spacers to make is 12x100 & 142, but too damn confusing to be sure I'd get the right bits !!)

[warthog1]

Either 4 Season Gravel X-Wide at A$599

That seems a good wheelset for the money.

[Comedian]

It’s been one of those bike related crap weekends

See the ICAN build thread for the other two, and then on a ride this morning, couldn’t avoid a pothole at speed








Luckily, could ride home albeit carefully.

Staying away from the bike for the rest of the weekend !!!!

Oh Noes!

[fat and old]

Returned to the scene of the wheel demolishing crime.

Was doing 50.6km/hr when I hit this beauty

- After a few emails back and forth, once again, "Not our problem. Inspection on 17th Feb showed no issues as part of our fortnightly check. Must have become a crater after that". Closed.

Yeah, so what? It became a crater after that? So what? Gee whiz I hate this crap.

Look at the area around it. The crocodiling in the seal tells the story. That pothole was going to happen, no matter what. Just because there was "no" pothole (if indeed there wasn't) doesn't mean that the area didn't need a repair on the 17th. Besides which FH is maintaining the road on behalf of your DIT, who remains the responsible party

https://www.fultonhogan.com/fulton-hoga ... 20contract

Get onto Nearmap (not streetview) and check the road using that. Odds are there will be a scan close to the 17th. If there is one piece of that road missing, no matter how small, then you have FH by the cojones. Don't be asking questions, document everything and send a claim into your DIT. via some legal letterhead. it's their problem to deal with FH, not yours.

(I've been on the receiving end of this sort of thing in Victoria. If the State Authority can offload the pain onto the contractor and force them to cop it they will. But they will always try to bat it away first because that usually works)

[MichaelB]

Ah, good idea re Nearmap.

My request toi take it higher in FH fell on deaf ears, but will try that approach. Thanks.

I'll let you know how I go. The overall condition oof the road is pretty average, but it doen't get that much heavy traffic.

Cheers

[Andy01]

Isn't Nearmap now (well for many years now) a subscription-based resource ?

I used to love it (much better than Google) before a login was required.

[Mr Purple]

Nearmap used to be excellent but I believe is subscription only now.

Yes, this is a pretty standard policy. If it turns out someone else complained about the pothole prior to you hitting it they'll accept full liability - a guy I know holed a sump and had an entire engine replaced in his car this way.

You're probably experiencing the same road versus gravel conundrum as me currently! My Checkpoint would hit that at 50km/hr+ and laugh. My road bike is like 'oh, a stick' and tries to kill me. A little mindset adjustment has to happen in the first few minutes of every ride.

[warthog1]

Nearmap used to be excellent but I believe is subscription only now.

Yes, this is a pretty standard policy. If it turns out someone else complained about the pothole prior to you hitting it they'll accept full liability - a guy I know holed a sump and had an entire engine replaced in his car this way.

You're probably experiencing the same road versus gravel conundrum as me currently! My Checkpoint would hit that at 50km/hr+ and laugh. My road bike is like 'oh, a stick' and tries to kill me. A little mindset adjustment has to happen in the first few minutes of every ride.

I am older and slower than you. I've started riding the gravelly a bit on the road with different wheels and tyres.
Got some 35mm Gravelking slicks on the WR50s now. Not as fast as the roadie but it isn't that much slower. Rolls over most rough sh it much, much better.
There is plenty of dodgy bitumen around here after last year's flooding.

[MichaelB]

Near map is a paid service now, but hoping work has access.

[fat and old]

Isn't Nearmap now (well for many years now) a subscription-based resource ?

I used to love it (much better than Google) before a login was required.

As did I. Went log in many years ago and I curse daily over that. Figured MichaelB may have work access? At least Streetview has dates. Usually 5+ back to ‘07 in Melbourne Metro area. CBD gets updated 3 times a year or so.

[MichaelB]

Isn't Nearmap now (well for many years now) a subscription-based resource ?

I used to love it (much better than Google) before a login was required.

As did I. Went log in many years ago and I curse daily over that. Figured MichaelB may have work access? At least Streetview has dates. Usually 5+ back to ‘07 in Melbourne Metro area. CBD gets updated 3 times a year or so.

Well, we didn't have access at my current workplace, but got an ex-colleague to have a look from my last workp[lace.

Sadly, nothing but trees in the way Damn nature ....

Good suggestion tho'. Thanks

[MichaelB]

So finally get my schtuff together, helped by the recent tragedy with my older rims on the ICAN so ventured into the shed and had a quick measure of the rim to get a feel for the ERD. Seems it’s between 570-575mm.

So started browsing on the web and started to narrow down the options.

The current rim spec is 35mm depth, 27mm outer width and 21mm inner width, so this was a good starting point.

Found the following after a quick browse:

Light Bicycle Falcon Pro AR35 - 35mm D x 28mm w x 21mm Int & 570mm ERD
https://www.lightbicycle.com/700C-road- ... lable.html

Light Bicycle Falcon Rim WR35 disc - 35mm D x 32mm w x 25mm Int & 569mm ERD
https://www.lightbicycle.com/700C-32mm- ... tible.html

Light Bicycle Falcon Rim AR35 disc - 36mm D x 28mm w x 21mm Int & 568mm ERD
https://www.lightbicycle.com/Road-bicyc ... ncher.html


Carbonal Rim D21-33 - 33mm D x 28mm w x 21mm Int & 575mm ERD
https://carbonal.net/en-au/collections/ ... p-clincher


Carbonal Rim D21-38 - 38mm D x 28mm w x 21mm Int & 569mm ERD
https://carbonal.net/en-au/collections/ ... p-clincher


Carbonal Rim D22-35 - 35mm D x 29mm w x 22mm Int & 575mm ERD
https://carbonal.net/en-au/collections/ ... ravel-bike


I’m sure there are more options that I’ll keep looking at, and given I’m and Engineer, a spreadsheet will be started

The interesting thing is that the ERD for the Light Bicycle is given without nipple head depth, whilst Carbonal are !! Farsports website was too painful on the phone, so will have a look again. Yeolo was even worse but didn’t have many options

Any other options to look at ?

[MichaelB]

And a couple more

https://btlos.com/700c-35mm-deep-clinch ... arbon-rims

https://www.eiecarbon.com/goods/details/ARG35TC28

https://www.yishunbike.com/product/rsl35c/

https://www.yishunbike.com/product/rsl38c/

https://www.yishunbike.com/product/rsl38c-fly/

https://www.nextie.com/road-CRX-series-NXT35CRX

[Duck!]

Never trust manufacturers' ERDs, always measure yourself with consideration for the particular spoke calculator you choose, because they vary with nipple head inclusion or not as well!

[2wheels_mond]

Serenade is another option - I've seen plenty of people post about them on ForoMTB (a Spanish forum) and seem happy with them:

https://www.serenadebikes.net/35mm-carb ... 84974.html