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Renshaw would know a bit about Cav. Certainly had more to do with him than anyone on here.

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rouleu ... r-sprinter

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 12:57 pm

Certainly had more to do with him than anyone on here.

Don't let that get in the way of a good internet rant.

That's now Sir Mark to us plebs https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c255wjrlp5no

^^^^ ^^^^

Foo

On a related topic….His old mate Wiggins. Saw an article about him via CN and his financial woes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-13530791

Granted, it’s a Daily Mail hack piece, but the comments I had no idea that the Poms hated him so much. What he ever do wrong?

fat and old wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:31 pm

On a related topic….His old mate Wiggins. Saw an article about him via CN and his financial woes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-13530791

Granted, it’s a Daily Mail hack piece, but the comments I had no idea that the Poms hated him so much. What he ever do wrong?

He’s had financial issues for a while.

I reckon arrogance was his biggest issue

MichaelB wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:40 pm

fat and old wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:31 pm

On a related topic….His old mate Wiggins. Saw an article about him via CN and his financial woes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-13530791

Granted, it’s a Daily Mail hack piece, but the comments I had no idea that the Poms hated him so much. What he ever do wrong?

He’s had financial issues for a while.

I reckon arrogance was his biggest issue

Yep, he is someone that I could not take a liking too. He never seemed happy or willing mingle but expected people to revere him. There were warnings out years ago that he needed to get his act together but he seemed more interested in partying and generally being a dick than securing his future.

Foo

Here is a piece for you to enjoy Foo.
Reminisce about the greatest sprinter ever to grace the TDF

https://road.cc/content/feature/mark-ca ... ins-302301

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 23, 2024 8:53 pm

Here is a piece for you to enjoy Foo.
Reminisce about the greatest sprinter ever to grace the TDF

https://road.cc/content/feature/mark-ca ... ins-302301

Yeah right, he couldn't ride a straight line if his life depended on it and he was the same on the Track. At his best and with Mark Renshaw as his lead out man, he couldn't complain about being out of position or having a good lead into a sprint.

Foo

foo on patrol wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:20 pm

Yeah right, he couldn't ride a straight line if his life depended on it and he was the same on the Track. At his best and with Mark Renshaw as his lead out man, he couldn't complain about being out of position or having a good lead into a sprint.

Foo

Don't need to hold your line that well when nobody can hold your wheel
Could when he needed to though during the record number of stage victories.
Going to struggle to get another I reckon at near 40 years old but will be good if he does

Hmmm not looking good already. Spat out on the first cat 2 climb. Not much show looking at that

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:02 pm

Hmmm not looking good already. Spat out on the first cat 2 climb. Not much show looking at that

Yep but I'm not surprised and he's sacrificing all bar two of the team too keep him going.

Foo

3 minutes on that! Bugger.
Should make the time cut this stage. Be screwed in the alps it looks like.
Still hoping he gets one more but it will need to be a flat stage if it happens. He has never been a climbed but I don't remember him being that sh ite.

That is the hardest climb of the stage but there is a few left.
Vomiting isn't positive.

Maybe he should have taken a leaf out of Mark Taylor's book and retired with the equal record.
(Tubby retired so that he did not beat Bradman's individual high score record)

Looked like that on that stage, true. We will see.

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:18 pm

3 minutes on that! Bugger.
Should make the time cut this stage. Be screwed in the alps it looks like.
Still hoping he gets one more but it will need to be a flat stage if it happens. He has never been a climbed but I don't remember him being that sh ite.

That is the hardest climb of the stage but there is a few left.
Vomiting isn't positive.

Looks like he should have spent a month in Singapore before Le Tour, to get used to the heat and humidity that has now hit Europe.

foo on patrol wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:24 am

Why are people continually making excuse for him? The bloke is past his prime and should have stood by his own words on retiring at the end of 2022.

https://www.globalcyclingnetwork.com/ra ... t-uae-tour

Foo

Really?
Time to change the title of the thread perhaps.
"I was wrong and Cav still has it" perhaps.
I can think of a few more thread titles.

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:32 am

foo on patrol wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:24 am

Why are people continually making excuse for him? The bloke is past his prime and should have stood by his own words on retiring at the end of 2022.

https://www.globalcyclingnetwork.com/ra ... t-uae-tour

Foo

Really?
Time to change the title of the thread perhaps.
"I was wrong and Cav still has it" perhaps.
I can think of a few more thread titles.

I've never said that he wasn't good but he can only win from those that are there at the time. I still stand by my comment, that he is past his prime. He had a good leed into it and when the UAE rider pulled to the left and opened the gap for him to get out he was presented with a gift.

At least he was humble about the win and said thank you to his Team for sacrificing a lot for him, so that elevates him a bit in my eyes.

Just for some perspective.



Foo

But the Astana-Qazaqtsan rider's decision to postpone his retirement was fully vindicated as he underlined his standing as one of Britain's greatest sportsmen......

"It's unbelievable, I am super happy for him. It is great he has the record alone and is not sharing it with anyone," former Tour de France winner Thomas said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/ ... /104055512

foo on patrol wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:06 am

What's this bollocks? Unless I'm mistaken, Cipollini never actually finished a TDF

fat and old wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:50 am

foo on patrol wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:06 am

What's this bollocks? Unless I'm mistaken, Cipollini never actually finished a TDF

Total career wins
Lots of sprinters in the list which makes sense but Cav, Cippo, Zabel, Greipel and Petacchi notched up most of their victories on pancake flat finishes courtesy of a lead out train. Thats cool, but not as impressive as others on the list, like:
Anquetil at number 20 was a Time Trial specialist, couldn't sprint for peanuts. 5 times won the TDF and 9 times GP des nations.
Rik van Looy won everything from World road title, grand tour stages, every monument, and a heap of track races including 6 days (one teamed with my uncle in 1958). He was a tremendous all rounder.
Eddy of course, was the ultimate all rounder.

So what? The title of the thread is "Cavendish is Past his Prime"
It is about Cavendish who is a sprinter. A sprinter who has now won more TDF stages than anyone else ever.
He is past his best but he still got the job done. Those backing him are now justified in backing his decision to keep riding and so is he.

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 12:18 pm

So what? The title of the thread is "Cavendish is Past his Prime"
It is about Cavendish who is a sprinter. A sprinter who has now won more TDF stages than anyone else ever.
He is past his best but he still got the job done. Those backing him are now justified in backing his decision to keep riding and so is he.

I dont think anyone would disagree with you. We all agree he is PAST HIS PRIME but managed somehow to win one more.

Would I be a conspiracy theorist if I suggested:
1.The other sprinters let Cav start the sprint first even though they were very close to the line
2. Tour organisers stand to get a lot of great publicity if Cav wins
3. Buying a victory has happened before in cycling eg Reg Harris aged 54 beat Trevor Bull for the National Sprint Title in 1974

Not that Im suggesting that

Derny Driver 2 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 12:45 pm

warthog1 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 12:18 pm

So what? The title of the thread is "Cavendish is Past his Prime"
It is about Cavendish who is a sprinter. A sprinter who has now won more TDF stages than anyone else ever.
He is past his best but he still got the job done. Those backing him are now justified in backing his decision to keep riding and so is he.

I dont think anyone would disagree with you. We all agree he is PAST HIS PRIME but managed somehow to win one more.

Would I be a conspiracy theorist if I suggested:
1.The other sprinters let Cav start the sprint first even though they were very close to the line
2. Tour organisers stand to get a lot of great publicity if Cav wins
3. Buying a victory has happened before in cycling eg Reg Harris aged 54 beat Trevor Bull for the National Sprint Title in 1974

Not that Im suggesting that

You'd be full of sh it if you were suggesting it was gifted
Just watched it again. Still has a good kick, not what it was but pretty bloody good nonetheless. Particularly after how crap he looked in stage 1

Derny Driver 2 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 04, 2024 12:06 pm

Total career wins

Eddy of course, was the ultimate all rounder.

Hence my question. I have always read that He topped 526 or so. That list only gives him 276. Why?

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone and could see all of the above happening. However, Foo has not claimed this as yet so must cop it sweet.