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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:28 am

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It is not the topic that is in question it is the very fact you really consider that this man and his party really will act on it that I am questioning. This is truly embarrassing. Please stop posting fluff.
Lets go to reality
1. Canterbury Bankstown council rejects 30 kmh, and then 40 kmh speed limit which was brought by a Liberal councillor, Glen Waud, nobody else backed him, even the green councilor Linda Eisler. I see this firsthand as someone who has gone to council meetings

2. Look at the "liberal" area of North Sydney and northern Beaches Council implementing 30 kmh.

yeah not all in the party are like that, but I have seen how Labor, independent and Green don't back the 30 kmh in my council (Canterbury Bankstown)

I would believe Labor and Green are serious in climate change and supporting active transport if they back 30 kmh in heavy pedestrian area at their council. Haven't heard of inner west and other Labor-Green-Independent councillors trying implementing 30 kmh apart from City of Sydney and the above.

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Re: War on cars

Postby baabaa » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:28 am

opik_bidin wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:28 am
baabaa wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:23 pm
It is not the topic that is in question it is the very fact you really consider that this man and his party really will act on it that I am questioning. This is truly embarrassing. Please stop posting fluff.
Lets go to reality
1. Canterbury Bankstown council rejects 30 kmh, and then 40 kmh speed limit which was brought by a Liberal councillor, Glen Waud, nobody else backed him, even the green councilor Linda Eisler. I see this firsthand as someone who has gone to council meetings

2. Look at the "liberal" area of North Sydney and northern Beaches Council implementing 30 kmh.

yeah not all in the party are like that, but I have seen how Labor, independent and Green don't back the 30 kmh in my council (Canterbury Bankstown)

I would believe Labor and Green are serious in climate change and supporting active transport if they back 30 kmh in heavy pedestrian area at their council. Haven't heard of inner west and other Labor-Green-Independent councillors trying implementing 30 kmh apart from City of Sydney and the above.
Lets go to reality

Nice. I consider that the moderators of this site look very carefully at the way in which you post here. Links to crap, cut and pasting of images without acknowledgement of the original artist or author. You really should stop posting altogether as the owner of this site is liable to your lack of understanding.

Okay your points on reality. Again best be careful in who you try to lecture.
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I have sat in and attended as many meeting as I could with a working group in Manly Council to bring speeds down from 50k to 40k in the Manly CBD. This took many years and burnt out lots of very good people. It was only with the support of independents councillors, an independent Mayor and then an independent state member that this was actioned.
If you want background on the hostility against lowering the speed limits in the region look up Jean Hays and car parks in Manly.
The new drop from 40k to 30k is welcomed because council know the drop will work but largely dure to the gridlock in the CBD. This issue is now parking. When Manly Council was amalgamated into a huge Northern beaches council they now offer free parking to not just the old Manly Council rate payers but the whole northern beaches. 40 ks to 30 wont make any difference really as the traffic during the day is way slower/less than 30k anyway. At night yes it will help but most locals who car still drive slower than 40 because they care for the safety of the region.
This is not because of the crap you posted.
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North Sydney. I sat in on I think 5 meetings, with several other bike riders who also worked in the North Sydney CBD with Council to push speeds down in 2007. The only councilors who even thought this was a good idea happened to be independent. It has taken from 2007 to 2020 to even start to talk of this.
Once more, this is not because of the crap you posted.
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I also have a property in Michael McCormack electorate also has a Nationals state member but several independents in council. One town has each footpath painted at the gutter. GIVE WAY TO CARS. No one is even interested that this may be a deterrent to people on foot, bike ....
McCormack is not only not interested, but he has no say in speed limits in council regions. This comes from council who then push up to the state and so on.

Anyway again I give up and have wasted enough time on this already but I repeat,
Stop posting fluff. If you do so check it, acknowledge the origin and more importantly stop putting out misinformation. Put the time you spend on here writing to your local members.
I also repeat that I consider that the moderators should have a very good look at your activity here.

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Re: War on cars

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:14 pm

Politicians are voted in to represent the electorate. If they are not doing what the electorate want then they will probably get voted out. To use an example, removing parking along a residential street to put in a bike path could result in a loss of votes that is greater than the votes gained for putting the cycle path in. We need to win over the population to want the improvements, then the politicians will instigate the improvements
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Re: War on cars

Postby Comedian » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:46 pm

mikesbytes wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:14 pm
Politicians are voted in to represent the electorate. If they are not doing what the electorate want then they will probably get voted out. To use an example, removing parking along a residential street to put in a bike path could result in a loss of votes that is greater than the votes gained for putting the cycle path in. We need to win over the population to want the improvements, then the politicians will instigate the improvements
I've argued that in Brisbane with our advicacy groups. I think we spend too much of our limited resources trying to convince politicians to do the right thing. They are playing the numbers game. Even if they know they should do something.. but they think it will cost them votes then they just won't do it.

We need to convince the public that they will have a better drive if they support cycling.

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:23 pm

baabaa wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:28 am
Anyway again I give up and have wasted enough time on this already but I repeat,
Stop posting fluff. If you do so check it, acknowledge the origin and more importantly stop putting out misinformation. Put the time you spend on here writing to your local members.
I also repeat that I consider that the moderators should have a very good look at your activity here.
Good for the confirmation.

My other point still stands
Its not fluff that a lib member pushes for 30 kmh in CBC, and its not fake news that McCormack said lowering speed will lower emission, which is backed by science.

Now is the chance to make it happen as the worship of speed gave Sydney West Connex, there are huge bushfire and storms across Australia as a result of climate change, and high rises mean more cars so the speed limit is too dangerous.

Ofc there are many things ou can argue that Libs don't care about climate change and McCormack was just having drugs while saying that, but That Glen Waud represents his electorate who feel the speed is too high and dangerous, it also made them unable to get in and out their driveways. McCormack also has almost nothing to lose as rural areas has little High pedestrian activity area and it will mainly target big cities, so any problem if 30 kmh will be a default national speed limit would almost not affct him.

But whatever the reason, it doesn't matter as it is the right thing to have 30 kmh as the default speed limit in high pedestrian and cycling activity areas.

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Re: War on cars

Postby fat and old » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:37 pm

opik_bidin wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:23 pm

McCormack also has almost nothing to lose as rural areas has little High pedestrian activity area and it will mainly target big cities, so any problem if 30 kmh will be a default national speed limit would almost not affct him.
You're making a big assumption there. IF 30km/h was a default NATIONAL speed limit in built up areas there are plenty of National Party electorates that would be impacted by it. Have a look at their team, and where their offices are

https://nationals.org.au/our-team/

I'll wager that there would be a larger outcry in those areas if forced to adopt a NATIONAL 30km/h limit in built up areas. You ever been to Rockhampton? Dalby, or Mildura? Or Dubbo? Tamworth (actually, I don't blame you for giving Tamworth a miss :lol: ....)?

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Re: War on cars

Postby baabaa » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:39 pm

GEOFF CHAMBERS
11:23AM DECEMBER 22

Michael McCormack has pushed back against plans for Australia to sign an international road safety declaration in Sweden that endorses a 30km/h limit on suburban roads in response to “traffic injuries, air quality and climate change”.

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Re: War on cars

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Postby mikesbytes » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:02 pm

Comedian wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:46 pm
mikesbytes wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:14 pm
Politicians are voted in to represent the electorate. If they are not doing what the electorate want then they will probably get voted out. To use an example, removing parking along a residential street to put in a bike path could result in a loss of votes that is greater than the votes gained for putting the cycle path in. We need to win over the population to want the improvements, then the politicians will instigate the improvements
I've argued that in Brisbane with our advicacy groups. I think we spend too much of our limited resources trying to convince politicians to do the right thing. They are playing the numbers game. Even if they know they should do something.. but they think it will cost them votes then they just won't do it.

We need to convince the public that they will have a better drive if they support cycling.
In regards to cycling I point out that an uptake of cycling will reduce traffic congestion, so there's a direct win for those who prefer to drive
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Re: War on cars

Postby Thoglette » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:58 pm

baabaa wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:39 pm
Michael McCormack has
Pretty much shown himself to be a reactionary fool everytime he's opened his mouth.. When he's not defending Bridget McKenzie and the undefensible.
Whose constituents love him. Sort of

A perfect replacement for his predecessor.
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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:39 am

Sums up what is happening at 99% of the world

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51179688

A report says too many highways engineers are still approving roads that do not fully account for pedestrians and cyclists.

It follows a government survey suggesting an increase in public concern over the impact of cars on people's health and the environment.

The new report comes from University College London (UCL).

Its author, Prof Matthew Carmona, told BBC News: “Far too many new developments are still all about the car.

“It’s all about making sure cars don’t need to slow down. Pedestrians and cyclists just have to get out of the way.

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:04 pm

Now Auckland is trying to reduce the car. Taking a leaf from Paris n Ghent

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sponsored-st ... d=12302243
. Central to A4E is a plan to create car-free transit streets, low-traffic neighbourhoods and a new traffic circulation system through which private vehicles would access the city centre from roads (motorways and Mayoral Drive) on the city's edges.

"This means trips that aren't necessary, like those from east to west across the city would be managed differently," he says.

"Think of it as shifting the city from a 'drive-through' to a 'go-to' city centre; we are not preventing motorists from driving into the city, rather we are providing access in a different way.

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Re: War on cars

Postby mikesbytes » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:17 pm

opik_bidin wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:04 pm
Now Auckland is trying to reduce the car. Taking a leaf from Paris n Ghent

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sponsored-st ... d=12302243
. Central to A4E is a plan to create car-free transit streets, low-traffic neighbourhoods and a new traffic circulation system through which private vehicles would access the city centre from roads (motorways and Mayoral Drive) on the city's edges.

"This means trips that aren't necessary, like those from east to west across the city would be managed differently," he says.

"Think of it as shifting the city from a 'drive-through' to a 'go-to' city centre; we are not preventing motorists from driving into the city, rather we are providing access in a different way.
The traffic design of Auckland CBD is that its flanked by motorways on each side and mass parking on those sides. That means you can drive to the city, come off the motorway and park in a parking building. There's no need to drive thru the centre of the CBD. End result is that motoring can be largely eliminated from the shopping areas and part of the business areas. Recent years has seen a marked improvement in facilities to enable cycling to the CBD and there is now an underground rail line that is positioned to service both the shopping and business areas. End result of these recent initiatives is that Auckland is now in a position to restrict private vehicle usage in portions of the CBD
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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:04 pm

mikesbytes wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:17 pm
opik_bidin wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:04 pm
Now Auckland is trying to reduce the car. Taking a leaf from Paris n Ghent

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sponsored-st ... d=12302243
. Central to A4E is a plan to create car-free transit streets, low-traffic neighbourhoods and a new traffic circulation system through which private vehicles would access the city centre from roads (motorways and Mayoral Drive) on the city's edges.

"This means trips that aren't necessary, like those from east to west across the city would be managed differently," he says.

"Think of it as shifting the city from a 'drive-through' to a 'go-to' city centre; we are not preventing motorists from driving into the city, rather we are providing access in a different way.
The traffic design of Auckland CBD is that its flanked by motorways on each side and mass parking on those sides. That means you can drive to the city, come off the motorway and park in a parking building. There's no need to drive thru the centre of the CBD. End result is that motoring can be largely eliminated from the shopping areas and part of the business areas. Recent years has seen a marked improvement in facilities to enable cycling to the CBD and there is now an underground rail line that is positioned to service both the shopping and business areas. End result of these recent initiatives is that Auckland is now in a position to restrict private vehicle usage in portions of the CBD
I wonder if it always has to start politically and against the majority.

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:51 pm

Hiw about we start putting prices on land? Why not charge the car the same with housing?

https://mobile.twitter.com/urbanthought ... 8893923328

If Copenhagen residents were to pay the same amount/m2 for parking their car as they do for housing, they should pay € 268 per MONTH instead of the current level of € 94 per year

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:48 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/carltonreid/ ... 2278173696

Every street in Paris to get a bike path, bridges to get protected cycleways, promises Mayor of Paris
@Anne_Hidalgo
. “If you liked Season 1 [of Plan Velo] , you will love Season 2,” she says from the stump. Updated article: https://forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/20 ... dd8a169521
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Re: War on cars

Postby antigee » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:56 pm

opik_bidin wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:48 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/carltonreid/ ... 2278173696

Every street in Paris to get a bike path, bridges to get protected cycleways, promises Mayor of Paris
@Anne_Hidalgo
. “If you liked Season 1 [of Plan Velo] , you will love Season 2,” she says from the stump. Updated article: https://forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/20 ... dd8a169521
@carlosmorenop
interesting read...."According to a 2019 study by Atelier Parisien d’Urbanisme (Apur) there are 83,500 on-street parking spaces in Paris—Hidalgo plans to remove 60,000 of them." that's definitely a full frontal attack...supported by actual data...the study seems to conclude that the on road spaces are surplus and not needed

another recent article has Birmingham in the UK attempting to copy the much smaller city of Ghent and effectively prevent cross city traffic....very different in a city once called the "motorway city" and the only place I've lived and been too scared to cycle

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -ambitions

in effect an overnight and cheap war with roads simply blocked off overnight:

"Motorists have since found that, while their journeys are longer in distance, they take less time because there are fewer fellow travellers on the roads. Motor vehicles used to make up 55% of trips in Ghent – that number has now fallen to 27%."

"Ghent’s plan had imagined a cycling modal share of 35% by 2030, up from 22% in 2016. Instead, after an explosive 60% rise in cycle use, the target was reached last year, 13 years earlier than planned for." impressive

“We had people complaining that a drive of 300 metres became a car journey of two kilometres,” remembers Watteeuw. “We had to explain that we don’t want people to use a car for 300 metres: they should walk.” Watteeuw got death threats!

and the Politicians responsible got reelected and lots of new restaurants opened....Birmingham looks like it is opening the war by removing parking spaces, allocating space to moving people rather than private vehicles, reducing speed limits and limiting commercial delivery hours

“Growth in Birmingham’s population will result in 1.2 million additional daily trips across our highways network by 2031,” she says. “Accommodating all these trips by private car is simply not sustainable.”

.......Road widening is off the table, she adds. It’s expensive, unpopular – and doesn’t work."


sounds sort of similar except the acceptance that road widening doesn't work

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:53 pm

antigee wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:56 pm
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interesting read...."According to a 2019 study by Atelier Parisien d’Urbanisme (Apur) there are 83,500 on-street parking spaces in Paris—Hidalgo plans to remove 60,000 of them." that's definitely a full frontal attack...supported by actual data...the study seems to conclude that the on road spaces are surplus and not needed

another recent article has Birmingham in the UK attempting to copy the much smaller city of Ghent and effectively prevent cross city traffic....very different in a city once called the "motorway city" and the only place I've lived and been too scared to cycle

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -ambitions

in effect an overnight and cheap war with roads simply blocked off overnight:

"Motorists have since found that, while their journeys are longer in distance, they take less time because there are fewer fellow travellers on the roads. Motor vehicles used to make up 55% of trips in Ghent – that number has now fallen to 27%."

"Ghent’s plan had imagined a cycling modal share of 35% by 2030, up from 22% in 2016. Instead, after an explosive 60% rise in cycle use, the target was reached last year, 13 years earlier than planned for." impressive

“We had people complaining that a drive of 300 metres became a car journey of two kilometres,” remembers Watteeuw. “We had to explain that we don’t want people to use a car for 300 metres: they should walk.” Watteeuw got death threats!

and the Politicians responsible got reelected and lots of new restaurants opened....Birmingham looks like it is opening the war by removing parking spaces, allocating space to moving people rather than private vehicles, reducing speed limits and limiting commercial delivery hours

“Growth in Birmingham’s population will result in 1.2 million additional daily trips across our highways network by 2031,” she says. “Accommodating all these trips by private car is simply not sustainable.”

.......Road widening is off the table, she adds. It’s expensive, unpopular – and doesn’t work."


sounds sort of similar except the acceptance that road widening doesn't work
Happy that its gathering pace andnthe politicians who get elected are green mayors who care anout environment and do something about it (bonus is economy growing and inequality decreasing)

Probably should make a thread about Anne Hidalginthe Paris Major and her campaign, she is going for 2nd term and has many good ideas that will be implemented if she is elected. Especially the "every street will have a bike lane"

And she campaigns in a bike shop,!!! hard to imagine any Oz Politician doing that

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:57 pm

In USA, bit could also be true in Australia,

https://mobile.twitter.com/VICE/status/ ... 5061122049

Cities are designed for cars and you’re paying for them in hidden costs and higher rent.

"The area of parking per car in the United States is... larger than the area of housing per human."

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Re: War on cars

Postby DavidS » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:36 pm

opik_bidin wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:57 pm

"The area of parking per car in the United States is... larger than the area of housing per human."
I've read that stat before, so ridiculous, astoundingly stupid.

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:52 pm

Its time to call out on dangerous car ads

This ford escape 2020 ad is an anti public transport ad, will hypnotizenpeople taking private cars over transit


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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:49 pm

Time for.economics and why bowingnto the car is expensive

https://medium.com/radical-urbanist/car ... 2c4e3a6bc2
The general discourse on these topics assumes that to make any of these choices would be costly because government would have to subsidize these alternatives, but the truth is the reverse: the quicker governments can get us out of cars and constrain auto-centric development, the more money they will save.


maintenance on a mile of national highways cost $28,020, while maintenance on a mile of local road was estimated to have a range of $1,528 to $23,651 in Washington state. Those high ongoing costs are why a number of counties are starting to unpave roads — they simply can’t afford to maintain them, especially with an estimated national road maintenance backlog of $420 billion.

Automakers have historically received government subsidies or bailouts; Tesla, for example, has received $1.3 billion in support from Nevada, over $100 million more from California, and every one of its cars come with a federal credit. Donald Shoup has also estimated that the subsidy for free car parking amounted to $127 billion in 2002

The United States spends an estimated $26 billion per year to subsidize fossil fuels,

Automobility may have made the open road a symbol of American freedom, but that didn’t come without a human cost: more than 36,000 people dead in vehicle crashes, another 53,000 from tailpipe emissions, ever-longer commutes, higher risks for many different health conditions, and terrible mental health consequences that are becoming apparent with the crises of loneliness and social isolation.


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Re: War on cars

Postby brumby33 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:08 pm

The way I see it is that throughout the ages, there were Centuries between the time when any significant things were invented or derived, nothing happened overnight but eventually we move forward to more modern understandings.
I was only thinking of my meagre time on this planet, 60 years now since a few weeks ago and as far back as I remember when a tot, my mum used a funny looking thing with rollers on it to wash clothes and used to stick things in it to let the water out. Now she just hits a button and it does it all, that's been around for 2 decades now and no handling required except putting in and taking out the clothes, the machine did everything....then we had this bit of furniture that showed pictures called a black n white Television, mostly had a huge tube in it and lots of valves that often blew just after you came back off holidays and the TV repair bloke in a van will turn up and fix it in minutes. Now we still have TVs, but no tubes, it's all solid state transistors and has millions and millions of available colours, remember the old VCR, now our TV's can record....and we can download movies from the Internet...remember the Internet and that tiresome dial-up tone, now it's instant connect and super quick. The new generation of Internet is beginning, 5G which will outdate this super expensive NBN.
Computers, used to be those huge wheels with blinking lights we used to see on TV shows that presented a strip of paper with an answer, took up an entire wall, now we slip something thousands of times more powerful into our pockets everyday.
Motorcars....ok I was getting to them eventually lol.
When I was a kid of 1 till 6yrs my Dad had a FJ Holden, no radio, no heater, wipers that would near stop when you hit the gas (vacuum wipers) but it was built like a tank, our first car with a radio in it was a 1969 Mazda 1500 sedan 4 on the tree with bench seats, the next model up, the SS had bucket seats and 4 on the floor. Speedo was still in miles.
All cars had carbies, points and distributors, crossply tyres....this was 50 years ago, only half a Century and the tech that has gone into cars today to make them more economical, a lot more cleaner for the air with all the pollution gear they have on them including cat converters, anti-lock braking, AWD, 7 speed auto shifts compared to the Holdens 3spd auto slush boxes, stabilisation braking control, lane changing sensors on and on and on and people still wiping themselves out because the standard family car today would nearly wipe a 70's Bathurst car off the road in performance stakes. So now the world is focusing on electric cars and the more focus and the more that become available the cheaper they become, it'll come and hopefully they'll find a way for those cars to recharge themselves on the go.....maybe I won't see it but the next generation might be driving them in a regular way as cars are before, those old Bathurst die hards will not be around to protest the lack of V8 exhausts.....sorry!! :lol:
Perhaps most houses may have enough solar power to place themselves off the grid, all the houses you now see with the entire roof being covered with solar panels were never seen 40 years ago....still a long way to go but renewable energy is still very much in development.
I see many people riding e-bikes for transportation to and from work all over the world, there won't be much in the way of pedal only power....look how much just the bicycle tech has come since the 60's in design and efficiency.
I don't however see the Jetsons flying cars happen for at least another 50 years though, there's going to have to have a huuuge attitude shift for many humans going from ground to air.....the only way I can see this happen is that Cities will come to a point where people won't need to have a car, on demand flying or driverless community cars are already in use so that can only be developed further.
I know my post is long winded but it's just my way of saying that progress is happening, the world will change due to these changes in how people live...we've come this far in the tech world in the past 50 years, many of us won't see the next 50 years but our kids will get that benefit and who knows what the tech world will be like in 2 or 3 generations from now but i'm sure they will be a lot more self sufficient without relying on fossil fuels....but in the meantime we need these minerals until that future is here.
Attitudes is my final topic, already there's lots of movement in particularly in Europe especially France lately with the banning of cars from sections of cities to give back to the people of the Cities, some place in USA are following suite, how long it'll take off in Australia, God only knows but it'll have to happen if world movement dictates it......

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Postby mikesbytes » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:16 pm

opik_bidin wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:52 pm
Its time to call out on dangerous car ads

This ford escape 2020 ad is an anti public transport ad, will hypnotizenpeople taking private cars over transit

The reason that they are driving on roads that ain't gridlocked is because everyone else is on the bus

Would we actually see truth in advertising? I live 2.5k from the international terminal in my city. Last year I caught a taxi to the airport and it 45 minutes to travel 2.5k (BTW its 2.1k walk taking 21 minutes)
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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:20 pm

mikesbytes wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:16 pm
opik_bidin wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:52 pm
Its time to call out on dangerous car ads

This ford escape 2020 ad is an anti public transport ad, will hypnotizenpeople taking private cars over transit

The reason that they are driving on roads that ain't gridlocked is because everyone else is on the bus

Would we actually see truth in advertising? I live 2.5k from the international terminal in my city. Last year I caught a taxi to the airport and it 45 minutes to travel 2.5k (BTW its 2.1k walk taking 21 minutes)
If bike and tranait ads start counter attacking car ads, that would be a start

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