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opik_bidin wrote:driver who mixed up acc and brake pedal are incompetent, but rather than taking them off the road, the industry add safety features,

meanwhile cyclists should immediately banned from the road and footpaths if they did something wrong

https://the-japan-news.com/news/article ... 504?m=jnnl

Toyota Motor Corp. is planning to roll out a new feature aimed at preventing accidents caused by mix-ups between the accelerator and brake pedal, it has been learned.

The new function will suppress engine output if the gas is mistakenly pressed when there is a person in front of the vehicle, thereby preventing sudden acceleration toward pedestrians. According to sources, it may be added before the end of the year to vehicles that have already been sold to customers.

Heard on the radio that there was an electric car coming out that only has one pedal. Take your foot of the pedal and it brakes. Haven't seen any articles on it

mikesbytes wrote:

opik_bidin wrote:driver who mixed up acc and brake pedal are incompetent, but rather than taking them off the road, the industry add safety features,

meanwhile cyclists should immediately banned from the road and footpaths if they did something wrong

https://the-japan-news.com/news/article ... 504?m=jnnl

Toyota Motor Corp. is planning to roll out a new feature aimed at preventing accidents caused by mix-ups between the accelerator and brake pedal, it has been learned.

The new function will suppress engine output if the gas is mistakenly pressed when there is a person in front of the vehicle, thereby preventing sudden acceleration toward pedestrians. According to sources, it may be added before the end of the year to vehicles that have already been sold to customers.

Heard on the radio that there was an electric car coming out that only has one pedal. Take your foot of the pedal and it brakes. Haven't seen any articles on it

I think all the electric cars offer "one pedal driving". If you activate it - when you lift off the accelerator the car will come to a stop pretty quickly using regen. I've driven an i3 (briefly) with it and it's pretty cool. If you want to stop quickly you need to use the nearby brake pedal though and it uses the conventional friction brakes.

despite all the campaigning to have pedestrian lights installed for a pedestrian crossing near me, which has one death plus other incidents, the solution has being to put up some victim blaming notifications

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tempe20 ... 835418042/

mikesbytes wrote:despite all the campaigning to have pedestrian lights installed for a pedestrian crossing near me, which has one death plus other incidents, the solution has being to put up some victim blaming notifications

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tempe20 ... 835418042/

Is it really real?





man...the car lobby is waging a fight against pedestrians. It's also a crosswalk so the solution should be more for the car.

mikesbytes wrote:despite all the campaigning to have pedestrian lights installed for a pedestrian crossing near me, which has one death plus other incidents, the solution has being to put up some victim blaming notifications

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tempe20 ... 835418042/

Our local council (BCC) is phasing out pedestrian crossings. They are actively removing existing ones by just covering them one by one when roads are resurfaced. They are refusing to install new ones as they say motorists don't comply with them.

Instead they reluctantly install lights where pedestrians need to cross. What get's me is motorists don't abide by them either. Same outcome, only more expensive.

Comedian wrote:

mikesbytes wrote:despite all the campaigning to have pedestrian lights installed for a pedestrian crossing near me, which has one death plus other incidents, the solution has being to put up some victim blaming notifications

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tempe20 ... 835418042/

Our local council (BCC) is phasing out pedestrian crossings. They are actively removing existing ones by just covering them one by one when roads are resurfaced. They are refusing to install new ones as they say motorists don't comply with them.

Instead they reluctantly install lights where pedestrians need to cross. What get's me is motorists don't abide by them either. Same outcome, only more expensive.

Probably another symptom of the reduced attention drivers apply to the task at hand.
Traffic lights are more visible so more likely to catch the eye of the motorist who only glances at the road occasionally and certainly doesn't scan to the side of crossings for the approach of pedestrians.

another video

opik_bidin wrote: Is it really real?

Yes, it's real. It's telling pedestrians not to trust cars. We get taught that in grade school. What's the issue?

fat and old wrote:

opik_bidin wrote: Is it really real?

Yes, it's real. It's telling pedestrians not to trust cars. We get taught that in grade school. What's the issue?

Yes I agree...from Kindy we are taught " look right, look left, look right again...walk, don't run across the road"

pretty sure that's how it went.

brumby33

brumby33 wrote:

fat and old wrote:

opik_bidin wrote: Is it really real?

Yes, it's
real. It's telling pedestrians not to trust cars. We get taught that in grade school. What's the issue?

Yes I agree...from Kindy we are taught " look right, look left, look right again...walk, don't run across the road"

pretty sure that's how it went.

brumby33

When are we taught don't fatally run over pedestrians in the crossing?

piledhigher wrote:

brumby33 wrote:

fat and old wrote:
Yes, it's
real. It's telling pedestrians not to trust cars. We get taught that in grade school. What's the issue?

Yes I agree...from Kindy we are taught " look right, look left, look right again...walk, don't run across the road"

pretty sure that's how it went.

brumby33

When are we taught don't fatally run over pedestrians in the crossing?

That is the problem, People are already taught, people are already used to it from kindergarten,

the rule is that drivers must stop and let pedestrians cross, the licensing and training means the drivers know this.

why the weak and right should yield for someone wrong and be limited by these wrong messages that say if they are crashed into, they are in the wrong?

We could build more bumps, limit car speed near pedestrian crossings and paint messages to slow down.

And in elementary school, i was taught look right, look left, look right again...walk in every part of the road, not just crosswalks

less driving

https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/no ... zTJIJXWvCQ

1. Australian millennials are taking longer to get a driver’s licence and using public transport more.
2. Melbourne and Brisbane have the highest increases in transit kilometres travelled by young adults (18 to 30) of any major world city (45 per cent and 66 per cent, respectively).
3. The car travel of young adults in London is declining the fastest (-47 per cent). Melbourne is steady at 4 per cent.

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diversifying

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ford ... ?r=US&IR=T

1. Carmakers are investing in electric portable mobility transportation by creating either concepts or full-blown new products, including e-bikes and e-scooters, at an increasing pace.
2. While concept micro-mobility ideas like Volkswagen’s scooters have an uncertain path to production, others, such as Peugeot, already sell a full line of products – and have for years.

fat and old wrote:

opik_bidin wrote: Is it really real?

Yes, it's real. It's telling pedestrians not to trust cars. We get taught that in grade school. What's the issue?

Biggest one, will be those stickers will be gone in a few months anyway!

Bit bizarre the number there, one crossing here typically sees a couple thousand peds per hour in daylight hours and there was only one each side - while they lasted.....don't know why a stencil and a bit of paint are seen as inferior now.

A school friend did get killed at the Tempe end of that road back in the late 60s crossing behind a truck as a ped, no crossing. Always been a traffic sewer, but less trucks now with industry on the other side of the line mostly gone, only speeding or distracted rat-runners to worry about.

warthog1 wrote:

Comedian wrote:

mikesbytes wrote:despite all the campaigning to have pedestrian lights installed for a pedestrian crossing near me, which has one death plus other incidents, the solution has being to put up some victim blaming notifications

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tempe20 ... 835418042/

Our local council (BCC) is phasing out pedestrian crossings. They are actively removing existing ones by just covering them one by one when roads are resurfaced. They are refusing to install new ones as they say motorists don't comply with them.

Instead they reluctantly install lights where pedestrians need to cross. What get's me is motorists don't abide by them either. Same outcome, only more expensive.

Probably another symptom of the reduced attention drivers apply to the task at hand.
Traffic lights are more visible so more likely to catch the eye of the motorist who only glances at the road occasionally and certainly doesn't scan to the side of crossings for the approach of pedestrians.

#Imjustsaying something has changed in Brisbane in the last few years. I'm not sure what it's like where you are - but in Brisbane now red lights are very much considered "negotiable" unless there is a red light camera. For everywhere that isn't monitored by big brother continuing through lights at change is so normal that when you have a green you just have to wait for everyone to finish running the red (particularly in congested areas). And sometimes.. if people don't want to wait they just ignore them and go on through. Aint nobody got time fo dat!

Brisbane is now a town full of drivers who are so fed up with the insane congestion that they will do anything they think they will get away with if they think it will save a few seconds.

One of my biggest pet peeves is that we no longer have the concept of suburban street. If you live in the inner city and you're quiet street might enable a commuter to bypass a local clogged intersection then it's game on. I think the rise of sat nav and apps like waze has made it noticeably worse in recent years. The problem with this is my most dangerous interactions on my daily cycle commute are just riding the 2k from my house to the bike path. The issue with this is that when your local street becomes a highway without notice it's a barrier to walking and cycling. So everybody just drives..

We really need to see the curriculum of civil and traffic engineering, plus the algorithma in transport departments

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1675187 ... et&fref=nf

Bayview Ave Undercliffe.

in light of the tragedy on UBR which saw a new mum pushing a pram killed, I called Canterbury council to suggest this road crossing be upgraded. Yobs speed down here all the time. Then, council told me there was no need to improve this crossing; but someone did last month.
But the traffic calmers are only 2 metres from the crossing. So the speeding car will be unable to stop as he hits the calmer and will bounce into and onto the kiddies crossing on their way to and from school. What idiot designed this?

opik_bidin wrote:We really need to see the curriculum of civil and traffic engineering, plus the algorithma in transport departments

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1675187 ... et&fref=nf

Bayview Ave Undercliffe.

in light of the tragedy on UBR which saw a new mum pushing a pram killed, I called Canterbury council to suggest this road crossing be upgraded. Yobs speed down here all the time. Then, council told me there was no need to improve this crossing; but someone did last month.
But the traffic calmers are only 2 metres from the crossing. So the speeding car will be unable to stop as he hits the calmer and will bounce into and onto the kiddies crossing on their way to and from school. What idiot designed this?

Coroners report recommendations...sorted!

Comedian wrote:

warthog1 wrote:

Comedian wrote: Our local council (BCC) is phasing out pedestrian crossings. They are actively removing existing ones by just covering them one by one when roads are resurfaced. They are refusing to install new ones as they say motorists don't comply with them.

Instead they reluctantly install lights where pedestrians need to cross. What get's me is motorists don't abide by them either. Same outcome, only more expensive.

Probably another symptom of the reduced attention drivers apply to the task at hand.
Traffic lights are more visible so more likely to catch the eye of the motorist who only glances at the road occasionally and certainly doesn't scan to the side of crossings for the approach of pedestrians.

#Imjustsaying something has changed in Brisbane in the last few years. I'm not sure what it's like where you are - but in Brisbane now red lights are very much considered "negotiable" unless there is a red light camera. For everywhere that isn't monitored by big brother continuing through lights at change is so normal that when you have a green you just have to wait for everyone to finish running the red (particularly in congested areas). And sometimes.. if people don't want to wait they just ignore them and go on through. Aint nobody got time fo dat!

Brisbane is now a town full of drivers who are so fed up with the insane congestion that they will do anything they think they will get away with if they think it will save a few seconds.

One of my biggest pet peeves is that we no longer have the concept of suburban street. If you live in the inner city and you're quiet street might enable a commuter to bypass a local clogged intersection then it's game on. I think the rise of sat nav and apps like waze has made it noticeably worse in recent years. The problem with this is my most dangerous interactions on my daily cycle commute are just riding the 2k from my house to the bike path. The issue with this is that when your local street becomes a highway without notice it's a barrier to walking and cycling. So everybody just drives..

Actually This is quite concerning Comedian irrespective of the city you live in, with the news article on the big 3 tv stations the last couple of days where they are saying that the congestion will be that to bring the cities to a standstill is quite real....I see if everyday driving a bus through the Inner West of Sydney, the congestion is rather bad at times and quite roads that used to be quite or minor thoroughfares are now one huge conga line of cars trying to find the quickest way and any road with a motorway entry or exit point eg Kingsgrove Road (Sydney) it's an absolute carpark in the mornings with cars from both Stoney Creek Road and Canterbury rd making a B line to the M5 Carpark..eeer Motorway.

So on saying this, the planning of quite bicycle commuting routes in our Urban areas might be made harder to the point of impossible in the near future as any through road of any type may become fair game to the frustrated motorist and riding on these roads or even lanes could become hazardous once they are discovered.

But don't expect Roads Minister Andrew Incompetance do anything soon, he's too busy playing driverless trains....that keep breaking down or moving off with passengers still getting on/off...I kid you not.....they are too busy raking in all the taxes/excises they can to make more congested toll roads or buying unsatisfactory imported Korean trains/trams.

brumby33

brumby33 wrote:
Actually This is quite concerning Comedian irrespective of the city you live in, with the news article on the big 3 tv stations the last couple of days where they are saying that the congestion will be that to bring the cities to a standstill is quite real....I see if everyday driving a bus through the Inner West of Sydney, the congestion is rather bad at times and quite roads that used to be quite or minor thoroughfares are now one huge conga line of cars trying to find the quickest way and any road with a motorway entry or exit point eg Kingsgrove Road (Sydney) it's an absolute carpark in the mornings with cars from both Stoney Creek Road and Canterbury rd making a B line to the M5 Carpark..eeer Motorway.

So on saying this, the planning of quite bicycle commuting routes in our Urban areas might be made harder to the point of impossible in the near future as any through road of any type may become fair game to the frustrated motorist and riding on these roads or even lanes could become hazardous once they are discovered.

But don't expect Roads Minister Andrew Incompetance do anything soon, he's too busy playing driverless trains....that keep breaking down or moving off with passengers still getting on/off...I kid you not.....they are too busy raking in all the taxes/excises they can to make more congested toll roads or buying unsatisfactory imported Korean trains/trams.

brumby33

I live in what's called an "inner" north suburb of Brisbane. My house is in a large corridoor.. maybe 1.5k wide by maybe 3 long of residential. Pretty much a rectangle running north south. It's a network of residential streets that was established in the 60's. At the southern edge is the cycling mecca of "Kedron Brook" AKA Brisbanes flood way cycle network. There are a few small strip shops and schools. Roads are narrow, and windy and there are few footpaths as when the area was established there were few cars and people just walked on the roads. Kids played with safety on the streets.

Unfortunately the area has a e-w arterial road to the south, and district connecting roads running North South flanking it on each side. Can you see where I'm going? That's right, in peak hour basically all the traffic wants to go either directly south or south east to the CBD. In the evening they are going North or North West to their outer Brisbane homes. 75% or more of Brisbanes residents drive to work. So, each morning the big intersections at the corners of the grid don't scale so they grind to a halt. Queues stretching for multiple KM are common in both morning and afternoon peaks.

So, virtually any of these little residential streets are filled with rat runners. All trying to beat their fellow commuters home. As a result - these streets which are virtually silent become highways at peak times. They were never designed for it so they become dangerous or impossible to cross on foot, and dangerous to cycle on. Kids can't walk to school. You can't cycle to Kedron Brook without running the gauntlet even though it's only 1km for me.

Unfortunately BCC has a policy of doing whatever it can under the guise of "getting you home to your family sooner" so they actually encourage rat running. The big intersections are state controlled so they point at the state but we know nothing can be done. Traffic doesn't scale. So, no one walks or cycles in these areas anymore. Oh well.

piledhigher wrote: When are we taught don't fatally run over pedestrians in the crossing?

In secondary school, when you take your first driving lesson, when you take your license test, every time you read the paper, whenever you read an on line forum or facebook...the list is endless really.

Seriously??? No one is saying that there aren't at least two morons for every halfway intelligent person on the planet.....one of which will probably do something stupid like kill a pedestrian. That doesn't mean that we are not taught that mowing pedestrians down is wrong. Some people just don't care enough.

opik_bidin wrote:We really need to see the curriculum of civil and traffic engineering, plus the algorithma in transport departments

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1675187 ... et&fref=nf

Bayview Ave Undercliffe.

in light of the tragedy on UBR which saw a new mum pushing a pram killed, I called Canterbury council to suggest this road crossing be upgraded. Yobs speed down here all the time. Then, council told me there was no need to improve this crossing; but someone did last month.
But the traffic calmers are only 2 metres from the crossing. So the speeding car will be unable to stop as he hits the calmer and will bounce into and onto the kiddies crossing on their way to and from school. What idiot designed this?

Was the statement from the community group you linked or was it your own? Reason I ask is that I can understand the average community grouper throwing out an uninformed statement like that. I'm hoping it's that. The second statement is obviously from the Com Group, and reeks of uninformed, self righteous idiodicy.

I have a question for the forumites. How far away/close to the actual ped crossing do you think the humps should be, and why? Surely if something is going to be criticised (and I'm not saying anyone here has done that in this instance) then that criticism should be backed by data, facts and algorithma?

Comedian wrote: Unfortunately BCC has a policy of doing whatever it can under the guise of "getting you home to your family sooner" so they actually encourage rat running. The big intersections are state controlled so they point at the state but we know nothing can be done. Traffic doesn't scale. So, no one walks or cycles in these areas anymore. Oh well.

That is what has plagued civil and transport engineering for a long time. Only cars are counted and modelled, so faster is better. They don't count for the effect of people become scared to go walking, cycling, lingering around in the streets(like street soccer, street hockey, and other playings when streets were quiet or cars are rare).


The effect is :
1. people stay more at home and if they want to go somewhere they use cars.
2. cars become a need and those who don't have garage will park on streets so 2 lanes will be used up
3. Business/workplace that count on walking and lingering people will close as there is no/limited parking
4. Places will become faraway/zoned. Previously you just need to walk to the store at the corner to buy your food, now you have to drive your car for 30 minutes 2 way to get it.

then it become worse and congested, and they use usual techniques to get more speed :
1. Phasing out pedestrian crossings
2. 4 way pedestrian crossing become 3 way
3. Widening road, often by eviction
4. Stack the roads up on a highway bridge and tunnel the roads below

Which makes things worse for other transport not by car and limit their movement. How can you walk or cycle at a 6-8 lane road where cars go 100 km/h?

There is also the eviction problem so people who were previously close to their workplace are now so far and have to use cars.

Then comes environmental and health concerns.

But these people will still go on and gloat how congestion will cost economy and infrastructure is important

That is why they thank cyclists who have the same mind like the one who I blocked above

opik_bidin wrote:

Comedian wrote: Unfortunately BCC has a policy of doing whatever it can under the guise of "getting you home to your family sooner" so they actually encourage rat running. The big intersections are state controlled so they point at the state but we know nothing can be done. Traffic doesn't scale. So, no one walks or cycles in these areas anymore. Oh well.

That is what has plagued civil and transport engineering for a long time. Only cars are counted and modelled, so faster is better. They don't count for the effect of people become scared to go walking, cycling, lingering around in the streets(like street soccer, street hockey, and other playings when streets were quiet or cars are rare).


The effect is :
1. people stay more at home and if they want to go somewhere they use cars.
2. cars become a need and those who don't have garage will park on streets so 2 lanes will be used up
3. Business/workplace that count on walking and lingering people will close as there is no/limited parking
4. Places will become faraway/zoned. Previously you just need to walk to the store at the corner to buy your food, now you have to drive your car for 30 minutes 2 way to get it.

then it become worse and congested, and they use usual techniques to get more speed :
1. Phasing out pedestrian crossings
2. 4 way pedestrian crossing become 3 way
3. Widening road, often by eviction
4. Stack the roads up on a highway bridge and tunnel the roads below

Which makes things worse for other transport not by car and limit their movement. How can you walk or cycle at a 6-8 lane road where cars go 100 km/h?

There is also the eviction problem so people who were previously close to their workplace are now so far and have to use cars.

Then comes environmental and health concerns.

But these people will still go on and gloat how congestion will cost economy and infrastructure is important

That is why they thank cyclists who have the same mind like the one who I blocked above

Yep..you are absolutely right with all that. If I can add one thing... I've noticed that part of the reason that they main roads are congested is that because they are so busy there is a set of lights for everything. A new bunnings.. a kmart, a macdonalds. All these business need a set of lights. And then.. because this road is now a four lane highway.. in the unlikely event that there are any pedestrians left they need a pedestrian crossing because there is just no way they can get across the constant stream.

Now, because of all these lights because of all this traffic the main road is now the slowest way to get anywhere. If you want to get across town the fastest way is the little suburban streets that have none of these protections. In the past people that didn't live there didn't know about them but now we have the likes of waze that will "intelligently" route you down these streets if the congestion is bad on the main roads. After a few good experiences the users get habituated to using these alternatives.. But the best bit is (and I have really seen this on my street) the council gets complaints from rat runners of congestion and they change the priority of the lights on the main road to give priority to the rat runners.. further encouraging them. I am really not making this up.

Comedian wrote: Yep..you are absolutely right with all that. If I can add one thing... I've noticed that part of the reason that they main roads are congested is that because they are so busy there is a set of lights for everything. A new bunnings.. a kmart, a macdonalds. All these business need a set of lights. And then.. because this road is now a four lane highway.. in the unlikely event that there are any pedestrians left they need a pedestrian crossing because there is just no way they can get across the constant stream.

Now, because of all these lights because of all this traffic the main road is now the slowest way to get anywhere. If you want to get across town the fastest way is the little suburban streets that have none of these protections. In the past people that didn't live there didn't know about them but now we have the likes of waze that will "intelligently" route you down these streets if the congestion is bad on the main roads. After a few good experiences the users get habituated to using these alternatives.. But the best bit is (and I have really seen this on my street) the council gets complaints from rat runners of congestion and they change the priority of the lights on the main road to give priority to the rat runners.. further encouraging them. I am really not making this up.

First part is the dirty secret of those traffic engineers. Every time saving will be lost as you need more traffic lights for every intersection. and the time and money lost could be more than the time and money saving that was initially predicted

opik_bidin wrote:motorists get 600 million easily
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/on- ... fresh=true
Traffic signals are set to be installed at motorway on-ramps across Sydney over the coming years to stagger the flow of vehicles onto major thoroughfares and to reduce bottlenecks.
As part of a $600 million project, a trial of the first quick-change traffic lights will begin next week at the Reservoir Road on-ramp to the M4 motorway at Blacktown.
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second part is the classic induced demand. The more you build, the more they are. so the solution is actually to limit them, show council the induced demand graph and how rat runners ruins your community and is a huge barrier to walking and cycling

https://mobile.twitter.com/Greenpeace/s ... 5240962054

Time we treated the car industry as the health hazard it is. Cigarette companies are banned from advertising, why not car companies too?
https://act.gp/2yDMJ83
#CleanAirNow



why????

https://mobile.twitter.com/wrychrd/stat ... 1268987905
Varnish, of which motor vehicles are likely major source, leading source of micro plastic pollution in the arctic. Motor vehicle tires number two source. This airborne pollution also gets into our lungs. The solution is fewer cars and less driving.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 18851.html
Air pollution responsible for more deaths than smoking, study says

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2019/05/28/ ... s-driving/
Should We Regulate Ads that Promote Dangerous Driving?

I'm seeing a pattern in NSW that revolves around directing public money in a way that actively encourages the usage of privately owned motorways. Whether its coincidence or deliberate I don't know but I do know that its a disaster for those who live near the end points of these private motorways.

The gov is waving the flag that says transferred demand but history shows us that is actually induced demand. In the meantime the private motorway corporations and making a fortune