War on cars

[opik_bidin]

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... um=twitter

[fat and old]

The thing about economy and speed can go further. with speed comes straightness and width.

This affects the stores as they need to become bigger to be seen and have parking lots, because foot and bicycle traffic is close to nil.

This is where the small stores dont have enough money and will just close, while the big box will dominate. you can name it. Ikea, decathlon, Bunnings, ans other huge malls.

This means loss of jobs and more land needed. It wont be a problem if land is cheap, but near the city its becoming more expensive. So a huge sum of money needed to buy land and buikd huge buildings and parking lot.

It doesnt stop there. Now come the subsidies. Big Box stores have more power to push local gov for subsidies, and when the aubsidies are cut, they can just empty the store and search for another location that gives handouts.

meanwhile, the local area is left with a deadly and unpleasant road, empty stores, no jobs, and debt from subsidizing the big stores.

in spite of that, many gov continue to widen and make new roads, destroyibg businesses along the way, either by eviction-destruction or making the road unlivable

That’s just outright bollocks Provide some studies, citations, hell any type of evidence for this opinion. Please.

[mikesbytes]

The thing about economy and speed can go further. with speed comes straightness and width.

This affects the stores as they need to become bigger to be seen and have parking lots, because foot and bicycle traffic is close to nil.

This is where the small stores dont have enough money and will just close, while the big box will dominate. you can name it. Ikea, decathlon, Bunnings, ans other huge malls.

This means loss of jobs and more land needed. It wont be a problem if land is cheap, but near the city its becoming more expensive. So a huge sum of money needed to buy land and buikd huge buildings and parking lot.

It doesnt stop there. Now come the subsidies. Big Box stores have more power to push local gov for subsidies, and when the aubsidies are cut, they can just empty the store and search for another location that gives handouts.

meanwhile, the local area is left with a deadly and unpleasant road, empty stores, no jobs, and debt from subsidizing the big stores.

in spite of that, many gov continue to widen and make new roads, destroyibg businesses along the way, either by eviction-destruction or making the road unlivable

I think you lost your point. Please have another crack at writing what you were trying to communicate, it sounds interesting

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... um=twitter

That's excellent, thanks for posting

[fat and old]

I wanted to wait for a reply before going any further, but came across this article just now

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 521w2.html

In Sydney’s Parramatta, ‘drive away, no more to pay’ bargains are being replaced by property deals as the city’s famed ‘auto alley’ gives way to apartment developments.

Covering 14,200 sq m over three consolidated sites, developer Dyldam’s mixed use South Quarter development features a 62-level residential tower at 87 Church Street, where Thomson Ford currently operates.

This is what’s happening to old commercial and manufacturing properties. High and medium density housing. If the area allows, complete with ground level shops and cafes. The closer to the city the better. Our rush to destroy any manufacturing capabilities in the name of a “fair wage” has released swathes of land once used for employment. The type of employment typically filled by “working men/women” and immigrants. Now, not only is there very little employment like that but it’s out in the boonies, which means a car is required to get there. Meh, high/medium density is the preferred model anyway apparently. A single milk bar site will yield a 3 level apartment block now. Cars have nothing to do with that.

Name a single instance of residential land that has been rezoned commercial. Anywhere.

[terryc]

I wanted to wait for a reply before going any further, but came across this article just now

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 521w2.html

In Sydney’s Parramatta, ‘drive away, no more to pay’ bargains are being replaced by property deals as the city’s famed ‘auto alley’ gives way to apartment developments.

I blinked at this;

"The industry has also been impacted by the ecommerce boom which means that customers are more likely to know what brand and model they want to buy before setting foot in the showroom."

Gee, that mght have been the case when I went to a chosen bike shop to buy my first bike over 49 years ago, but every VEHICLE, or part in the case of bicycles, I've nown exactly what I wanted before i entered the shop.

Name a single instance of residential land that has been rezoned commercial. Anywhere.

Out our way, what was residential/small farms west of the railway line went to "commercial", well before we moved there.

Aroud here, there are plenty of residential houses going to commercial, although motly professional office, but some go rebult as commercial large store. It might not be common, but it does happen.

Oh, yep, also remembered West Gosford on the way in. That road was largely housing and is all now strip mall, big box, RSL, motels, etc and even a bicyce store now. Loath Maccas, but as a kid that was mudbank on Narara Creek where we'd sometimes go fishing.

You need to look at your LEP from your council to see what is alloowed where. you'll see it around a growing town where the are about close in houses is rezoned commercial.

[opik_bidin]

adding as a reply to FnO.

residential near a traffic sewer is suicidal. there will be health, family and amenity problems because of the pollution n traffic, and they also need transport.

living with hearing and resipatory problems plus unmoving traffic jams and debt to buy cars is hell. People would realize this eventually.

[brumby33]

adding as a reply to FnO.

residential near a traffic sewer is suicidal. there will be health, family and amenity problems because of the pollution n traffic, and they also need transport.

living with hearing and resipatory problems plus unmoving traffic jams and debt to buy cars is hell. People would realize this eventually.

The very same is happening along Canterbury road between Canterbury station and Kingsgrove road, the amount of unit construction has been incredible although I must say that they do look marginally better than the old unkept small commercial buildings that have lined this road for many decades but Canturbury road is becoming one of the most congested roads in Sydney nowadays often clogging up between Beamish Street Campsie/Bexley road and Canterbury Station.
I've also noticed a lot more trucks, especially the container trucks using Canterbury road from Moorebank all the way to King Georges road so they can meet the M5 entrance at Roselands so they don't have to pay the toll on the M5 but I think their efforts may soon be thwarted as I think an extra set of toll readers will be built between K Georges road and the tunnel. So it's not just cars rat running the lessor main routes but it's the trucks too, especially B-Doubles.

When B-Doubles were introduced back in the early 80's, it was supposed to limit them to the outer regions but in time, the transport lobbies have gotten in the Governments pockets to allow them to come in closer to the busy city regions and now, you see them all over the city areas, even suburban roads.

brumby33

[fat and old]

I wanted to wait for a reply before going any further, but came across this article just now

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 521w2.html

In Sydney’s Parramatta, ‘drive away, no more to pay’ bargains are being replaced by property deals as the city’s famed ‘auto alley’ gives way to apartment developments.

I blinked at this;

"The industry has also been impacted by the ecommerce boom which means that customers are more likely to know what brand and model they want to buy before setting foot in the showroom."

Gee, that mght have been the case when I went to a chosen bike shop to buy my first bike over 49 years ago, but every VEHICLE, or part in the case of bicycles, I've nown exactly what I wanted before i entered the shop.

Name a single instance of residential land that has been rezoned commercial. Anywhere.

Out our way, what was residential/small farms west of the railway line went to "commercial", well before we moved there.

Aroud here, there are plenty of residential houses going to commercial, although motly professional office, but some go rebult as commercial large store. It might not be common, but it does happen.

Oh, yep, also remembered West Gosford on the way in. That road was largely housing and is all now strip mall, big box, RSL, motels, etc and even a bicyce store now. Loath Maccas, but as a kid that was mudbank on Narara Creek where we'd sometimes go fishing.

You need to look at your LEP from your council to see what is alloowed where. you'll see it around a growing town where the are about close in houses is rezoned commercial.

I stand corrected. Have not seen that happen anywhere around Melbourne. Farms yeah, that's a given as suburbs are built. But not whole sets or even individual houses.

[opik_bidin]

I wanted to wait for a reply before going any further, but came across this article just now

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 521w2.html



I blinked at this;

"The industry has also been impacted by the ecommerce boom which means that customers are more likely to know what brand and model they want to buy before setting foot in the showroom."

Gee, that mght have been the case when I went to a chosen bike shop to buy my first bike over 49 years ago, but every VEHICLE, or part in the case of bicycles, I've nown exactly what I wanted before i entered the shop.

Out our way, what was residential/small farms west of the railway line went to "commercial", well before we moved there.

Aroud here, there are plenty of residential houses going to commercial, although motly professional office, but some go rebult as commercial large store. It might not be common, but it does happen.

Oh, yep, also remembered West Gosford on the way in. That road was largely housing and is all now strip mall, big box, RSL, motels, etc and even a bicyce store now. Loath Maccas, but as a kid that was mudbank on Narara Creek where we'd sometimes go fishing.

You need to look at your LEP from your council to see what is alloowed where. you'll see it around a growing town where the are about close in houses is rezoned commercial.

I stand corrected. Have not seen that happen anywhere around Melbourne. Farms yeah, that's a given as suburbs are built. But not whole sets or even individual houses.

want me to show you around Java?

[opik_bidin]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 522a8.html

Cancer, asthma and other health problems caused by car pollution kill about 650 people in NSW each year, according to a new report, which advises the victims should be counted in road death tolls with those from car accidents.

[fat and old]

Out our way, what was residential/small farms west of the railway line went to "commercial", well before we moved there.

Aroud here, there are plenty of residential houses going to commercial, although motly professional office, but some go rebult as commercial large store. It might not be common, but it does happen.

Oh, yep, also remembered West Gosford on the way in. That road was largely housing and is all now strip mall, big box, RSL, motels, etc and even a bicyce store now. Loath Maccas, but as a kid that was mudbank on Narara Creek where we'd sometimes go fishing.

You need to look at your LEP from your council to see what is alloowed where. you'll see it around a growing town where the are about close in houses is rezoned commercial.

I stand corrected. Have not seen that happen anywhere around Melbourne. Farms yeah, that's a given as suburbs are built. But not whole sets or even individual houses.

want me to show you around Java?

That would be pretty cool; I’ve not been there.

From a posting on BNA forum POV it’s kinda hard to comment on Java but I guess we always getting told about Holland and Italy and Japan etc etc so dig in I say!

[opik_bidin]

I think you lost your point. Please have another crack at writing what you were trying to communicate, it sounds interesting

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... um=twitter

That's excellent, thanks for posting

It's more of an urbanism and would probably be more related to the economy. I'll try to make better posts and illustrate the points and break em down if I have time.

And the relation is also rather complicated.

[opik_bidin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RossiTheBoss ... 2701529088
RossiBike
@RossiTheBossi

“Hello, would you mind turning your engine off please”

“I’m charging my phone”

“Yes, buts there’s a school just there”

“I know, my boy goes to it”

“Ah, my daughter too, perhaps they both have the same reduced lung capacity caused by localised pollution!”

“Yes, he has asthma”

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Most people are blind to what cars do to themselves and their family

[Thoglette]

John Menadue. Our love affair with cars. 2 Jan 2015

In 2013 a report by eight of the nation’s transport, health and planning organisations estimated that congestion on our roads is costing Australia about $10 billion p.a. This is projected to increase to $20 billion by 2020.

The Bureau of Transport and Regional Economics estimated the cost of road accidents at $17.85 billion in 2006. When the cost of loss of life is included, the total cost of road crashes increased to $28 billion in 2006. There are reservations about these estimates, but they are the best that are available. Almost all commentators believe that the cost of road accidents is conservative and in any event the data is eight years old.

According to the Australian Government Department of the Environment, ‘transport’ contributed 17% of our greenhouse emissions in 2013-14. The highest contribution of greenhouse gasses was ‘electricity’ which contributed 33% of greenhouse emissions. Clearly greenhouse emissions from transport are a serious problem.

[bychosis]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RossiTheBoss ... 2701529088
RossiBike
@RossiTheBossi

“Hello, would you mind turning your engine off please”

“I’m charging my phone”

“Yes, buts there’s a school just there”

“I know, my boy goes to it”

“Ah, my daughter too, perhaps they both have the same reduced lung capacity caused by localised pollution!”

“Yes, he has asthma”

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Most people are blind to what cars do to themselves and their family

Ummm, a battery will start a car. Charging a phone off it will use less than 1% of the battery charge.

[Comedian]

It's interesting - in the UK they have car idling bans because people want to sit with the heater on while they wait. In aus it's because they want the AC on.

[opik_bidin]

City of Sydney is upping it, would probably be 30 km/h next year

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/40k ... 2vt2SOg7Ls

A speed limit of 40 kilometres an hour will be extended to cover a larger part of the western edge of Sydney's central business district in an attempt to reduce crashes and pedestrian injuries.

Three years after the area covered by a 40km/h limit in the CBD was increased by about three quarters, the government has incorporated Barangaroo, Dawes Point, Millers Point and parts of Ultimo from August 11 when "high pedestrian zone" signs will be installed.

Centre for Road Safety executive director Bernard Carlon said extending the zone would improve pedestrian safety in areas where more than 90 per cent of daily trips were made on foot.

[opik_bidin]

tougher punishment in UK to be established

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/1 ... sentences/

In a major hardening of sentencing guidelines, ministers will propose raising the upper limit of imprisonment for dangerous drivers who kill from 14 years to a lifetime.

It is designed to send a “clear message” that people who cause “immeasurable pain” to families with reckless driving should be given a “punishment that fits the crime”.

The move comes after a string of high-profile cases where children have been killed when people at the wheel failed to brake while being distracted by their phones.

[Thoglette]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 522a8.html

Cancer, asthma and other health problems caused by car pollution kill about 650 people in NSW each year, according to a new report, which advises the victims should be counted in road death tolls with those from car accidents.

yehuda moon, via dutchbikeguy

[opik_bidin]

from the sydney bike commuters FB

I had it today
A truck driver hurling abuse out of the window for no other reason than he hates cyclists. Inevitably in the city I caught up at the next set of lights. I opened his passenger door ask what the problem was and he screamed at me the usual crap about “shouldn’t be on the road” “I’m a !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! idiot” “no ergo” etc.


As the lights turned green I decided to forget to close his passenger door so he’d have to get off his arse and close it. I was quite surprised at his skill in pursuing me in a truck down some small streets, so I took him Down a dead end and left him stuck screaming at me. Will it have taught him a lesson? Probably not. Was it a cleaver or sensible course of action for me to take? No! Did it feel good? Oh Yes.

[Thoglette]

“no ergo” etc. .

Well, all my bikes are either campy ergo or sturmey archer so I know where he's coming from. No rego on any of them (the cars are another matter).

[brumby33]

After 2 recent cycling deaths on Newcastle roads, one guy Steven Fleming is pushing for no more cars in Hunter Street and make Newcastle a more cycling friendly city.
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/stor ... -fpQ4w5iF4

brumby33

[opik_bidin]

Plagiarizing : Copy pasting and replacing the words

basically just subbing the words "bicycles" and "bicyclists" out for "automobiles" and "motorists,

And what a coincidence, a physician is the one writing it. Somehow many physicians are against cycling. in the past, they banned women cycling, today, they push helmets. and even in anecdotal evidence, a commuter cyclist in sydney was close passed by a doctor which then argued he hadn't done anything wrong, prompting the commuter to get a police report which then the police warned the doctor

https://www.facebook.com/groups/whatwou ... 050384113/

[opik_bidin]

not cycling, but our close relative walking

as usual the car lobby is out there to blame pedestrian and limit them

and it's good to have someone "repair" their news

[opik_bidin]

driver who mixed up acc and brake pedal are incompetent, but rather than taking them off the road, the industry add safety features,

meanwhile cyclists should immediately banned from the road and footpaths if they did something wrong

https://the-japan-news.com/news/article ... 504?m=jnnl

Toyota Motor Corp. is planning to roll out a new feature aimed at preventing accidents caused by mix-ups between the accelerator and brake pedal, it has been learned.

The new function will suppress engine output if the gas is mistakenly pressed when there is a person in front of the vehicle, thereby preventing sudden acceleration toward pedestrians. According to sources, it may be added before the end of the year to vehicles that have already been sold to customers.