Whats your fastest SPRINT speed?

[toolonglegs]

age is deceiving there

Very much so, a bloke named Walter races B grade, 60 something (I think) and goes quite well, wins many of the sprint finishes.

So you don't need to be the most powerful, just the smartest and best of whoever has made it to the end of the race.

Very much so, that is where I fail in the end. I have a plan going into the race and for some reason I keep changing that plan, which comes off bad. If I stuck to the plan I would do much better.

I know Walter. Very smart and powerful rider. I believe his age is deceiving indeed as he was a very competitive A grader and a track rider in his younger days. There are not a lot of B graders in Penrith that can outsmart him i reckon.

Walter... "I'm an old man and can't do work on the front" Machedo.... 2 laps later hits the turbo in and wins the spint

[twizzle]

After getting booted quickly up to C grade and then getting my arse handed to me in every race, I learnt a few things. One is that a big riders power/weight is a big handicap - which is why those skinny ba$tards keep on sprinting off the corners. But they also don't have the staying power, so getting the jump at the right time often pays because often the riders around me burn up before the finish. I always go too late - end up passing the line with heaps in the tank while all the other riders are hanging over the bars making funny noises.

I only hit low 50's in the sprints. Something I've been working on. And damn winter! Just bought a Kinetic Road Machine at lunch time.

[brendancg]

Walter... "I'm an old man and can't do work on the front" Machedo.... 2 laps later hits the turbo in and wins the spint

Thats the one.

[aeroslave]

Walter... "I'm an old man and can't do work on the front" Machedo.... 2 laps later hits the turbo in and wins the spint

Thats the one.

I was trying to be diplomatic he he he he he he....thats our guy......the funny thing is he also does that in the bunch ride....however that is in a nutshell what crit racing is....

[ruscook]

The most I got on my Sprint was 237km/hr indicated in 2006 Oh you didn't mean on my Triumph Sprint, but on the pushy????

Russ

[brendancg]

....however that is in a nutshell what crit racing is....

We may bitch and moan about it, but who is the smart one?? He is winning and we aren't and that is what it is all about in the end.

[snedden9485]

Yes it is racing, but their is ettiquite to follow IMO. I raced on the weekend and in the final sprint a big guy jumped out of the bunch and ended up beating me by a nose in the sprint. Funny thing was, i didnt see him on the front at any part of the race. I think it is WRONG to content the sprint if you dont do a turn in the race.

[aeroslave]

[double post.

[aeroslave]

Yes it is racing, but their is ettiquite to follow IMO. I raced on the weekend and in the final sprint a big guy jumped out of the bunch and ended up beating me by a nose in the sprint. Funny thing was, i didnt see him on the front at any part of the race. I think it is WRONG to content the sprint if you dont do a turn in the race.

That is highly debated by some of my mates... some believe they dont have to...some say its in bad taste not to...who is right???

[Chaderotti]

57 km/h for me, until I ran out of road.

[ruscook]

Yes it is racing, but their is ettiquite to follow IMO. I raced on the weekend and in the final sprint a big guy jumped out of the bunch and ended up beating me by a nose in the sprint. Funny thing was, i didnt see him on the front at any part of the race. I think it is WRONG to content the sprint if you dont do a turn in the race.

That is highly debated by some of my mates... some believe they dont have to...some say its in bad taste not to...who is right???

Isn't it just tactics at the end of the day? It may not be etiquette, but etiquette isn't actually in the rule book.

[aeroslave]

Yes it is racing, but their is ettiquite to follow IMO. I raced on the weekend and in the final sprint a big guy jumped out of the bunch and ended up beating me by a nose in the sprint. Funny thing was, i didnt see him on the front at any part of the race. I think it is WRONG to content the sprint if you dont do a turn in the race.

That is highly debated by some of my mates... some believe they dont have to...some say its in bad taste not to...who is right???

Isn't it just tactics at the end of the day? It may not be etiquette, but etiquette isn't actually in the rule book.

How true...

[zozza]

Yes it is racing, but their is ettiquite to follow IMO. I raced on the weekend and in the final sprint a big guy jumped out of the bunch and ended up beating me by a nose in the sprint. Funny thing was, i didnt see him on the front at any part of the race. I think it is WRONG to content the sprint if you dont do a turn in the race.

That is highly debated by some of my mates... some believe they dont have to...some say its in bad taste not to...who is right???

They are both right

Cheerio

Zozza

[toolonglegs]

Who won the race?...

[leximack]

nothing can be done about it so no use debating it.
Sprinters will NOT take a turn at the front, this will sap all there energy making them useless in the sprint.
In the races i enter i go to the front and put on an attack here and there, surge or 2, sprint out of sharp corners, i know that after a decent turn a minute or 2 in the draft and i am fully recovered again ready to do it again. My aim is to drop as many sprinters before the final lap as possible. If i can get rid of 5 or 10 sprinters thats 5 or 10 less people that can potentially beat me. I know that i am a bad sprinter and need more practice, so i need to emply a different tactic to the sprinter. If i just sit in the draft for the whole race, sure i will be fresher at the end but so are the 15 sprinters which i will struggle to beat.

[twizzle]

Been playing on the Kurt Kinetic trainer - interestingly, my 'max speed' on the trainer is just a few k's below my max speed in a sprint. So, given that Kinetic claim that that's how it should be (speed on trainer vs. speed on road)... I guess you could take your max speed (still conditions, no gradient) and reverse-engineer a representative Watts figure.

[Beanzy]

55km/h today at Eastern creek dragway in a crosswind.

I got third.

I have hit 60km/h plus on velodrome.

Have hit 63km/h at Easterb creek raceway.

Generally about 50km/h for sprint at heffron depending on wind direction.

As for the coments about not taking turns not being ettiquette its a race. You race your race I'll race mine. I will take a turn on the front but i slow it down people get pissed off then they go round me. Thats my tactic. Most of my race tactic is to be there at the end.

[Zujan]

Today in Sutherland,B grade,55kmh,got beaten on line.I was happy second. And note, being 95kg/195cm on 11/50 combo Im happy with that speed....but not for long hah

[Zujan]

As for the coments about not taking turns not being ettiquette its a race. You race your race I'll race mine.

Exactly!

[Hebden]

I raced today, first time in 9 months! It was slow, I think. B grade at Penrith avg 35.9 for 70kms?

Anyway, I was on the front for most of the race, went with every break away attempt. Also did a big effort on the last lap putting 200m into the field (fruitless in the end ). I finished 7th(ish) basically because I had burned too many matches. Don't really mind though, I wanted a workout as well as a race so I am happy with my ride.

I think the guys that only showed up at the front when they attacked had the right idea. But as far as a work-out goes that would have done nothing for me. I think if you want to win and nothing else you should hide as much as possible and only arrive at the business end or to create/bridge a breakaway. I am quite happy to accept that I was out raced today. I actually found it takes serious discipline to sit in and do nothing, it was quite easy to find myself working on the front for no apparent reason!

This racing gig will take some practice.

[leximack]

I raced today, first time in 9 months! It was slow, I think. B grade at Penrith avg 35.9 for 70kms?

Anyway, I was on the front for most of the race, went with every break away attempt. Also did a big effort on the last lap putting 200m into the field (fruitless in the end ). I finished 7th(ish) basically because I had burned too many matches. Don't really mind though, I wanted a workout as well as a race so I am happy with my ride.

I think the guys that only showed up at the front when they attacked had the right idea. But as far as a work-out goes that would have done nothing for me. I think if you want to win and nothing else you should hide as much as possible and only arrive at the business end or to create/bridge a breakaway. I am quite happy to accept that I was out raced today. I actually found it takes serious discipline to sit in and do nothing, it was quite easy to find myself working on the front for no apparent reason!

This racing gig will take some practice.

didnt see you there Mr Hebden. I rolled around in C grade with Mr cooms and about 25-30 other crazy dude, still well and truely sick my Goal was just to finish. Yep, you guys in B grade looked like you were having a picnic, we caught and then passed you, i think then you passed us, then we passed you again and eventually we got away from you ( ithink thats how it went ) We averaged 37.9km/h for 60km (12 laps). I had no intention at all to contest any sort of sprint so ended up finishing with the bunch and happy just to get to the end really. It was good to be back on the bike though.

Don

[Hebden]

Hey Don,

Yeah C grade was cooking today, there just wasn't enough workers in B to keep the pace up. Totally understand about hanging in there, sometimes that’s all its about.

Will look out for you at the TT on the 19th!

oh, and back on topic; 52 was my max for that race, must have been on my break in the last lap. Definitely not in the final sprint.

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Yes it is racing, but their is ettiquite to follow IMO. I raced on the weekend and in the final sprint a big guy jumped out of the bunch and ended up beating me by a nose in the sprint. Funny thing was, i didnt see him on the front at any part of the race. I think it is WRONG to content the sprint if you dont do a turn in the race.

It's a sprinters job to only put their nose into the wind when it counts. If you don't like it, then attack and get rid of the sprinter. It's a race, not a social outing.

[1q2w3e4r]

55km/h today at Eastern creek dragway in a crosswind.

I got third.

I have hit 60km/h plus on velodrome.

Have hit 63km/h at Easterb creek raceway.

Generally about 50km/h for sprint at heffron depending on wind direction.

As for the coments about not taking turns not being ettiquette its a race. You race your race I'll race mine. I will take a turn on the front but i slow it down people get pissed off then they go round me. Thats my tactic. Most of my race tactic is to be there at the end.

Lovely, sounds like it was another good day out. Damn being in Melbourne!

I'll be out there on the 18th having a go!

[JV911]

Yep, you guys in B grade looked like you were having a picnic, we caught and then passed you

sound like the comish needs to promote a few riders to B grade