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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:47 pm
by elantra
Retrobyte wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:00 pm
"Fury over $3.5k toy taking over rich suburbs"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 340b53f7fc
What an eye-opener.
It’s a status and prestige thing for adolescents in those ritzy suburbs, it hasn’t got much to do with freedom of movement and mobility.
Well actually I spose it does because the affluent parents probably achieve a secondary gain if they get their young brats out of the house for a few hours.
So for the kids who get their wants fulfilled it’s a win and for the parents who can afford to splurge on them it’s a win.
But it’s the rest of society that will wear the consequences.

Obviously it’s a bit different in the working population, the illegal motos are a cheap way of getting to work or Uni and thumbing their noses at society at the same time

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:21 am
by Mr Purple
Retrobyte wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:00 pm
"Fury over $3.5k toy taking over rich suburbs"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 340b53f7fc
As a cyclist the Facebook algorithm can't tell the difference between 'bicycle' and 'electric motorcycle' so I get a lot of e-bike advertising.

The latest Dirodi one is spectacular. Family of three riding around footpaths, and you see the father take one slight half turn of the pedal the whole time. Pretty clear the one it's filmed for is throttle operated, which is entirely illegal.

They're not even pretending to be legal.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:34 am
by jasonc
Mr Purple wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:21 am
They're not even pretending to be legal.
This. It's the wild west

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:51 pm
by jasonc

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:15 pm
by uart
Retrobyte wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:00 pm
"Fury over $3.5k toy taking over rich suburbs"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 340b53f7fc
You know what annoys me about that story, they repeatedly call them e-bikes and talk about this "e-bike phenomenon", when legally they are not frickin' e-bikes - they're electric motorbikes being ridden on footpaths!

Doing so kind of misses the point that all of these kids can have the same levels of "freedom", nothing is stopping them, but just do it on a legal e-bike. Fat tyred or otherwise, if it's not more than 500W, 25 kph assist limited and no throttle, then they can have freedom of mobility to their hearts content. If we could just have a bit of enforcement of the laws here then you'd suddenly find the legal e-bikes getting a lot more popular and those electric motorbikes a lot less common.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:19 pm
by jasonc
uart wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:15 pm
Retrobyte wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:00 pm
"Fury over $3.5k toy taking over rich suburbs"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 340b53f7fc
You know what annoys me about that story, they repeatedly call them e-bikes and talk about this "e-bike phenomenon", when legally they are not frickin' e-bikes - they're electric motorbikes being ridden on footpaths!

Doing so kind of misses the point that all of these kids can have the same levels of "freedom", nothing is stopping them, but just do it on a legal e-bike. Fat tyred or otherwise, if it's not more than 500W, 25 kph assist limited and no throttle, they they can have freedom of mobility to their hearts content. If we could just have a bit of enforcement of the laws here then you'd suddenly find the legal e-bikes getting a lot more popular and those electric motorbikes a lot less common.
agreed. they aren't pedalling. they aren't bicycles.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:24 pm
by uart
LOL, Li-Ion battery going into thermal runaway, so put it in the freezer. Some of those e-scooter riders are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

One of the few cases of someone handling this situation well was just down the road from me in Lake Macquarie. Local landscaper had the Li-Ion battery of one of his garden tools start to smoke in the back of his ute while driving. He managed to stop and scoop it out of the tray with a shovel and then bury it in dirt/clay beside the roadside. Turned out the battery had been dropped and damaged btw.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:48 pm
by elantra
I wonder what the Insurance company is going to say about that ?

Again I think that some Australia Government jurisdictions have some contributory negligence in allowing or encouraging the importation of potentially dangerous electrical devices

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:58 pm
by jasonc
elantra wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:48 pm
I wonder what the Insurance company is going to say about that ?
Mrs Jason C and I were discussing just this in regards to our rental property

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:48 am
by fat and old
jasonc wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:58 pm
elantra wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:48 pm
I wonder what the Insurance company is going to say about that ?
Mrs Jason C and I were discussing just this in regards to our rental property
It's becoming quite the issue in apartment complexes, and not just e-toys. Lots of them won't allow e-car charging.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:12 pm
by zebee
elantra wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:48 pm
I wonder what the Insurance company is going to say about that ?
Mine says I am covered for loss or damage caused by fire. Doesn't (yet) exclude e-things. I wonder how long before it does?

However... in the legal liability section is then not covering claims arising out of Your ownership, possession or use of any: [...] mechanically propelled vehicle. and I asked them if that meant e-bike and they said yes but not normal bicycle which is sporting equipment.

So if I set the apartment block on fire with the e-trike I am not covered for any liability for other people or their stuff. My BNSW liability only covers the bike in use so no luck there either.

THis is a much worse policy than I had before but the best I could get when I looked (Allianz). I really want to use Shannons but they are not sure what to do about ebikes either!

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:59 am
by Shred11
I’ve been copping a lot of advertisements for e-bikes on Facebook. One was promoting ‘e-bikes’ that were clearly electric motorbikes and showed them being ridden illegally on a public road.

I reported the advertisement to Facebook as “Selling or promoting restricted items”. Apparently FaceBook see no problem with it.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:39 am
by Mr Purple
Shred11 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:59 am
I’ve been copping a lot of advertisements for e-bikes on Facebook. One was promoting ‘e-bikes’ that were clearly electric motorbikes and showed them being ridden illegally on a public road.

I reported the advertisement to Facebook as “Selling or promoting restricted items”. Apparently FaceBook see no problem with it.
Facebook see no problem with literally anything. I've reported motorists talking about deliberately killing cyclists and describing them as 'scum' and they see no problem with that either.

I get the same ads and the thing that gets me is the retailers replying to the comments with statements that are clearly untrue regarding their legality.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:32 am
by Retrobyte
This one wheel e-thing driver was actually non-crazy, travelling at a reasonable speed yesterday ...


Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:57 am
by Mr Purple
On my 20km commute home yesterday there was plenty of evidence that the police had given up.

In order:
- Two teenagers in school uniforms on home brewed electric mountainbikes doing 50km/hr+ uphill without pedalling on the footpath.
- Some guy on a two stroke dirt bike without lights, indicators or plates flying down the median strip at over 70km/hr.
- A methy looking thin gentleman on an oversized e-scooter doing 70km/hr+ without a helmet along a major road running a red light and almost being taken out by turning traffic.
- A guy on a 'Surron' style electric dirt bike (without plates, lights or indicators again) just riding along in traffic on the same major road as if he had every right to be there.

Their chance of being caught is obviously so close to zero they just don't seem to care anymore. Not sure why any of us even bother registering our cars or having licences if this is the way things are going.

Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:44 pm
by elantra
Mr Purple wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:57 am
On my 20km commute home yesterday there was plenty of evidence that the police had given up.

In order:
- Two teenagers in school uniforms on home brewed electric mountainbikes doing 50km/hr+ uphill without pedalling on the footpath.
- Some guy on a two stroke dirt bike without lights, indicators or plates flying down the median strip at over 70km/hr.
- A methy looking thin gentleman on an oversized e-scooter doing 70km/hr+ without a helmet along a major road running a red light and almost being taken out by turning traffic.
- A guy on a 'Surron' style electric dirt bike (without plates, lights or indicators again) just riding along in traffic on the same major road as if he had every right to be there.

Their chance of being caught is obviously so close to zero they just don't seem to care anymore. Not sure why any of us even bother registering our cars or having licences if this is the way things are going.
Emphasis added.

I fear that in Australia, Policing has become a very very difficult profession because of conflicting political and bureaucratic processes.
A bit like how Teaching and Doctoring have become increasingly difficult.

Remember, in Qld it’s a Police SERVICE, not a Police FORCE.
That “change” was made some years ago.
But the Qld Government used the Police Service very intensively during the COVID years as a tool to create border closures and make the people of Qld feel like they were in good hands.
It just goes to show that when there is a Political purpose to be served, enough Police will be used to achieve the Government’s objectives.
But there is no political “gain” for the Qld government to have a crackdown on illegal e-vehicles and unlicensed vehicle operators.

It’s probably useful to the Government that it’s a patchy issue across the State (and Nation).
Mainly affecting the more densely populated areas in the South East of Qld.
So regional Politicians probably don’t see it as an issue to get their knickers in a knot over.

Meanwhile the Qld Gov is probably clutching at delusional straws hoping that their Seatbelt and Mobile Phone camera technologies are going to improve the State’s road safety “statistics”
This is unlikely.
And the sad irony is that as people discover that they can get away with using unregistered e-vehicles then the cameras are going to be a bit redundant :?