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blizzard wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:05 am

I saw two ~13 year olds riding their Surron motorbike style ebikes ....

They are not e-bikes, they are non-ADR-compliant, therefore illegal motorbikes.

Some examples of innovative e-thingo use spotted in recent days :

2 girls transporting their DOG on a Dirodi the other day.
Fortunately at a nice sedate pace on a footpath as neither the dog nor the 2 sheilas had any head protection

Big bloke with a child pillion passenger.
Breathtakingly powered their e-thingo up the disabled access ramp just In the nick of time to get into the IGA at closing time. A very audacious display, there must have been some critical lack of milk or bread on the home front but seconds later there was a big thump as the rather large device keeled over and fell down right at the main entrance to the store.
Yikes.

Duck! wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:45 pm

blizzard wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:05 am

I saw two ~13 year olds riding their Surron motorbike style ebikes ....

They are not e-bikes, they are non-ADR-compliant, therefore illegal motorbikes.

100% they were illegal motorbikes not ebikes.

oh look Newcastle is having a problem with unregistered electric motorbikes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/newcastle/comm ... _a_menace/

jasonc wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:40 am

oh look Newcastle is having a problem with unregistered electric motorbikes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/newcastle/comm ... _a_menace/

As one of the redditors said, it's amazing how we as a society have just accepted kids riding high powered e-devices, and let them have at it, with no training, no rego and no safety gear. Most don't even wear helmets. Yet we won't let them anywhere near a 50cc scooter before their 16th birthday and have passed a written test of road rules.

Just mind boggling the "she'll be right mate" attitude towards young inexperienced children operating devices that can exceed 60kmh....

Mububban wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2025 5:01 pm

it's amazing how we as a society have just accepted kids riding high powered e-devices, and let them have at it, with no training, no rego and no safety gear. Most don't even wear helmets. Yet we won't let them anywhere near a 50cc scooter before their 16th birthday and have passed a written test of road rules.

Here in NSW under 18s aren't even allowed to buy a can of spray paint the local hardware store, but 10 year old's riding illegal unregistered motorbikes on the footpath no wuckers. Amazing isn't it.

Mububban wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2025 5:01 pm

jasonc wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:40 am

oh look Newcastle is having a problem with unregistered electric motorbikes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/newcastle/comm ... _a_menace/

As one of the redditors said, it's amazing how we as a society have just accepted kids riding high powered e-devices, and let them have at it, with no training, no rego and no safety gear. Most don't even wear helmets. Yet we won't let them anywhere near a 50cc scooter before their 16th birthday and have passed a written test of road rules.

Just mind boggling the "she'll be right mate" attitude towards young inexperienced children operating devices that can exceed 60kmh....

Our society also lets kids drive cars, which is even worse.

jasonc wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:40 am

oh look Newcastle is having a problem with unregistered electric motorbikes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/newcastle/comm ... _a_menace/

Mostly people are just complaining about their experience as pedestrians, but like any social media bike related content, a few obligatory psychopath motorist need to chime in. Posts like that below clearly indicate how they feel that they've got no obligation to give way if (purely in their opinion) they don't think the other person is entitled to be there. This is the perennial problem that we face as cyclist in general. Remember that all of these comments could equally be applied to legal ebikes or regular cyclists.

The kids going round the roundabouts without checking for incoming traffic blow my mind.

^ Um traffic entering a roundabout has to give way to traffic already in the roundabout.

And they're cocky about it too. I've seen so many just enter the roundabout with no clue at all, take up the whole lane

^ Yes, they're (we're) allowed to take the lane and it's the safest option on a single lane roundabout.

Saw one riding along the road and expected me to give way to him like he was a car, felt like just running him over to prove a point. “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t see him as I was not expecting a scooter to be on the road. I am sorry he is now in a wheelchair but I’m still suing for damage to my car”

^ No words for this one. Just pure psychopathy.

They are still illegal in nsw uart....

jasonc wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:44 pm

They are still illegal in nsw uart....

Not yet scooters, but e-bikes (fat tyred or otherwise) certainly can be. We can't just say, "hey I think that bike might be illegal so I don't have to give way to them". It would be like me saying, "hey I don't think that P-plater is allowed to ride a bike of that capacity so I'll just ignore my responsibility to give way to him".

uart wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:19 pm

jasonc wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:44 pm

They are still illegal in nsw uart....

Not yet scooters, but e-bikes (fat tyred or otherwise) certainly can be. We can't just say, "hey I think that bike might be illegal so I don't have to give way to them". It would be like me saying, "hey I don't think that P-plater is allowed to ride a bike of that capacity so I'll just ignore my responsibility to give way to him".

i'm not for vigilante justice. i'm for reporting illegal activities that make it unsafe for others to the police, and then the police actioning those reports.

Not sure if this should be here or in the Moron Motorist thread. Bloke knocks kid off illegal ebike ....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queens ... 76b928ece0

Retrobyte wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:35 pm

Not sure if this should be here or in the Moron Motorist thread. Bloke knocks kid off illegal ebike ....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queens ... 76b928ece0

It should be the other thread: this is vigilante justice (which was apparently even supported by the local residents), and that never ends well. Obviously, our police forces and justice system are far from perfect, but if we take the law into our own hands, that way lies anarchy.

Retrobyte wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:35 pm

Not sure if this should be here or in the Moron Motorist thread. Bloke knocks kid off illegal ebike ....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queens ... 76b928ece0

How did a 12 year old kid afford a bike like that ….


Knocking him off with a car isn’t right either

Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:05 pm

anarchy.

Just like our roads and paths with lack of enforcement right now

jasonc wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:03 pm

Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:05 pm

anarchy.

Just like our roads and paths with lack of enforcement right now

I'm not taking the bait.

Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:25 pm

jasonc wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:03 pm

Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:05 pm

anarchy.

Just like our roads and paths with lack of enforcement right now

I'm not taking the bait.

What bait? It's what I see daily

Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:05 pm

Retrobyte wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:35 pm

Not sure if this should be here or in the Moron Motorist thread. Bloke knocks kid off illegal electric motorbike (correction by Duck!) ....

https://www.news.com.au/national/queens ... 76b928ece0

It should be the other thread: this is vigilante justice (which was apparently even supported by the local residents), and that never ends well. Obviously, our police forces and justice system are far from perfect, but if we take the law into our own hands, that way lies anarchy.

Yes, definitely MM thread material. Yes the kid is riding an illegal motorbike, but that is no justification for the knob in the Audi to seemingly deliberately swerve out of his way to knock the kid off it! That is indefensible dangerous driving.

As I type some dumb kid, about 12 or 13, is cutting laps of our inner city street in broad daylight on an unregistered petrol dirt bike without a helmet doing 60+.

I’m not about to go run him over.

I suspect this is all a consequence of the free for all on e devices. You literally never see enforcement so these stupid kids think they can get away with anything. Still can’t run them over though!

I had an electric assisted fat bike sort of thing overtake me this morning at 40km/h. I caught the draft and could match his speed easily (S5 is aero).

Guy was fairly chatty while waiting for the red light at the crossing.

The big device didn’t look too agile.

He was pedalling so it wasn’t just hit the button and go.

Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:05 pm

https://www.news.com.au/national/queens ... 76b928ece0

It should be the other thread: this is vigilante justice (which was apparently even supported by the local residents), and that never ends well. Obviously, our police forces and justice system are far from perfect, but if we take the law into our own hands, that way lies anarchy.

Yes, no excuse for that type of vigilante behavior.

Interestingly it doesn't appear to be the usual type of road rage thing though. It's pretty obvious from the video there was already some history there between the parties.

I didn't stick around long enough to see what was going on, but on my way up the access road on the Queen's Domain today there was a middle-aged couple interfacing with a rental scooter and for whatever reason one of them decided to slowly swing it out across the middle of the path while staring at the ground. I had just enough space left to squeeze by.

During the week I saw a young bloke (14?) carrying his surfboard on an ebike, not pedalling, no helmet, thongs, matching my speed in a 70kmh zone while he was riding on the footpath. I wonder if mum and dad actually know the speed he's capable of doing?

Also saw 3 young teens on e-motocross bikes, riding on the road and median strip, doing 60kmh, popping wheelies, no helmets, no lights or license plates of course. I'm sure they were sold to be used "on private property only"

"Fury over $3.5k toy taking over rich suburbs"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 340b53f7fc

I saw one of those things today! I stopped to give the two people (one on normal bike, other on the e-device) some advice on directions.

One of them had a look at my bike and I briefly held that e-bike - DAMN was it heavy!!!