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Thanks for posting WH1.

Even Esselstyn - from his book - isn't against a bit of flax if one doesn't have any sign of atherosclerosis. Unfortunately high BP is a sign of atherosclerosis. Flax/chia increased my cholesterol without any other fats. But the animal products are obviously going to contribute more fat than a bit of flax. Tested my BP 4 days ago. Average of 4 tests was 90/57. Final test was 88/57. Yeah I'd say that super low fat is working for lowering BP. About 5 mm Hg both sys and dia from when I was eating more fat.
You could try cutting out as much fat as you can tolerate for a month and then see what your BP looks like then. At least then you'd know what difference, if any.

I've had some prostate issues in the recent past. The worst of it was when I was taking DHA supplements. Soon ditched that. Then earlier this year I ditched the flax or chia to see if it was helping drive my tumour growth. The previous blood test 3 months ago for ALT (primary liver marker) was good at 15. Interestingly I subjectively noticed a significant drop in prostate issues and some hematomas I was getting on my forearms for possibly unknown reasons. The issues slowly got better over months. To me that showed that it took some time for the fat - possibly stored as well - to exit my system and to start healing better. My dietary fat total is only about 2.3% of energy, 7g per day, which is 0.1% by weight according to my spreadsheet. Virtually nothing. Believe it or not, that is the McDougall, Peter Rogers and Forks Over Knives diets. No overt fats. And if you don't eat other higher fat foods like oats, grains, beans etc, then total fat is extremely low. As I've posted previously, people have survived quite well with only 1% fat by energy in their diet when studied. Time will tell if my health generally improves further or not.

I'm not worried about dementia as yet. That fear is used to sell chia, flax, fish, fish oil and DHA supps. I'm more focused on still being alive in 5 years, so 20 years time doesn't rate at the moment. However I did go for an eye inspection yesterday. They took retina photos and nerve photos. They also did an eye pressure test. All of tbose were good. Since the retina relies on DHA like the brain, if I have a problem with that, it isn't surfacing yet. I saw the image results myself for retinas and nerves and couldn't see any evidence of atherosclerosis either.

However I did score 3 out of 10 for cataract on my left eye. Having said that, this is first cataract scan I've heard of, so I don't know how long it's been like that for. They said it could get up to 6 to 8 in the next 5 to 10 years. Hopefully it won't be any worse on the next scan. I'd laugh if next time it's zero. If it is, that should make them think. I don't know why my right eye is testing low and my left eye is 3. So I'm hoping it's just a scan error. Time will tell.

warthog1 wrote: I had a look. I am still on the flaxseed.
June 2002 is the date of the article.
Will need to do some more investigation. It makes the case that any fat at all is metastasizing.
First and only place I had read that. Yes I try not to eat much fat however already.

It's easier to look through Peter Roger MD's videos on McDougall and the references to studies on cancer than it is to dig through McDougall's website for his newsletters on it.




The first time I read about fat and cancer promotion was from McDougall too, many years ago. McDougall was known by his contemporaries mainly for his honesty. To the point of costing him personally in various ways through his life. So I trust what he says.

In the end, the list of cancer tumour promoters isn't real short. After much reading & watching, It mainly comes down to what drives certain hormones like IGF-1, ILGF, mTor and others to promote growth. Cancer quickly grows under the influence of these various growth hormones and outruns one's immune system. The result In my case is that it drives up my ALT (Liver enzyme associated with decay. So the lower the better).

So what increases the hormones? Fats, and proteins are the major players. Some types of both protein and fat are more cancer promoting than others. The proteins, fats and heme iron in animal products are particularly promoting. In the end meat is just protein and fat. My blood tests have found even chicpeas promote tumour growth for me as seen by ALT increase. When I reduct fat and protein as much a feasible for my diet, my ALT returns to almost normal levels for me. I hope to get further confirmation of this in a week or so from my latest blood test results.

I've found that reducing tumour promoters easily has more effect than including foods that are said to inhibit tumour growth.