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“In the lead up to Christmas, I ask that parents also think twice before buying an e-bike for a child that is not able or old enough to ride it legally. Electric motorcycles and electric bikes are not toys.
“Parents can be fined or charged for permitting their children to ride unregistered vehicles as well as ride vehicles when unlicensed.”
Haleluia. About time they started fining the parents. Glad too that the article is calling them e-motorbikesjasonc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:30 pmhttps://mypolice.qld.gov.au/news/2024/1 ... pie-noosa/
“In the lead up to Christmas, I ask that parents also think twice before buying an e-bike for a child that is not able or old enough to ride it legally. Electric motorcycles and electric bikes are not toys.
“Parents can be fined or charged for permitting their children to ride unregistered vehicles as well as ride vehicles when unlicensed.”
reminds me of time I was coming down a bridge ramp and preparing to turn sharp right at the end which has to be done slow because tight and you are blind to oncoming riders...head check told me bike behind and then very close - ebike rider shouts "are you turning" answer "yes" ..."well I'd better pass" and then passes fast on my right (no left turn option as a railtrack there so not a misunderstanding)
Waited a while before posting. I was there. The kid wasn't riding on the road, he was crossing the road.uart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:20 pmYeah it's like the elephant in the room isn't it. Totally illegal for a 12 y.o. to even ride an e-scooter on the road in Vic. Plus it's almost certain that the parents not only allowed this but most likely bank rolled it as well. So there's the elephant, it's big, it's loud, it's obvious, but not one mention of it in that story.
It doesn't really matter whether he was riding on the road, or crossing the road - I think (happy to be corrected) the law says that it is illegal for a 12yo to be riding an e-device in a public place unsupervised (by an adult) - period.fat and old wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:51 amWaited a while before posting. I was there. The kid wasn't riding on the road, he was crossing the road.uart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:20 pmYeah it's like the elephant in the room isn't it. Totally illegal for a 12 y.o. to even ride an e-scooter on the road in Vic. Plus it's almost certain that the parents not only allowed this but most likely bank rolled it as well. So there's the elephant, it's big, it's loud, it's obvious, but not one mention of it in that story.
Legal e-scooter use
Use of e-scooters is legalised in Victoria.
You can legally ride an e-scooter in Victoria if you:
ride on:
shared-use paths (not on footpaths), or
roads that have a speed limit up to 60km/h
are at least 16 years old
wear a helmet
do not travel more than 20km/h
do not use your mobile phone
do not carry a passenger (dinking).
I think I've seen people using e-scooters while simultaneously doing all (or almost all) of the above, and enforcement of that rule is almost non-existent, because there aren't enough police officers to do it, because obviously they have many more severe infringements/crimes to address.jasonc wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:42 amvic road rules for escooters:
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/electric- ... e-scootersLegal e-scooter use
Use of e-scooters is legalised in Victoria.
You can legally ride an e-scooter in Victoria if you:
ride on:
shared-use paths (not on footpaths), or
roads that have a speed limit up to 60km/h
are at least 16 years old
wear a helmet
do not travel more than 20km/h
do not use your mobile phone
do not carry a passenger (dinking).
and as I've been saying all along, enforcement is the problem.Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:59 amI think I've seen people using e-scooters while simultaneously doing all (or almost all) of the above, and enforcement of that rule is almost non-existent, because there aren't enough police officers to do it, because obviously they have many more severe infringements/crimes to address.jasonc wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:42 amvic road rules for escooters:
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/electric- ... e-scootersLegal e-scooter use
Use of e-scooters is legalised in Victoria.
You can legally ride an e-scooter in Victoria if you:
ride on:
shared-use paths (not on footpaths), or
roads that have a speed limit up to 60km/h
are at least 16 years old
wear a helmet
do not travel more than 20km/h
do not use your mobile phone
do not carry a passenger (dinking).
Correct, it doesn't matter. It's illegal, so tough to be him, at 12 years old. Now if that same 12-year-old had been riding a standard pushy, in the same spot, with the same result, it would have been noted in the 2024 Fatalities thread, and there would have been a call for a lynching. If it had of been a pedestrian, the pitchforks would be out.Andy01 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:42 amIt doesn't really matter whether he was riding on the road, or crossing the road - I think (happy to be corrected) the law says that it is illegal for a 12yo to be riding an e-device in a public place unsupervised (by an adult) - period.fat and old wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:51 amWaited a while before posting. I was there. The kid wasn't riding on the road, he was crossing the road.uart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:20 pm
Yeah it's like the elephant in the room isn't it. Totally illegal for a 12 y.o. to even ride an e-scooter on the road in Vic. Plus it's almost certain that the parents not only allowed this but most likely bank rolled it as well. So there's the elephant, it's big, it's loud, it's obvious, but not one mention of it in that story.
redsonic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:27 pmNot saying he was a crazy eDevice rider, but a 12 year old boy was killed in a collision with a car and driver in Mill Park.
https://7news.com.au/news/tributes-pour ... c-16871780
A Go Fund Me campaign has raised $50 000 for his family. I think the police should be investigating them instead. How did a 12 year old end up illegally riding this escooter?
The blame lies squarely on parents. They always look to blame anyone and everyone else except themselves.redsonic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:44 pmF & O; I don't think anyone here is blaming the 12 year-old.
The blame lies squarely on his parents. The fact that they have monetised his death is particularly disturbing.
I am sorry you got involved with the death of an innocent like this.
redsonic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:27 pmNot saying he was a crazy eDevice rider, but a 12 year old boy was killed in a collision with a car and driver in Mill Park.
https://7news.com.au/news/tributes-pour ... c-16871780
A Go Fund Me campaign has raised $50 000 for his family. I think the police should be investigating them instead. How did a 12 year old end up illegally riding this escooter?
The continual harping about the legality of the things serves to blame the kid implicitly, regardless of making any comments about the parents. On that, there is at least some common sense.
You'd be amazed at how ignorant of the law people can be. I'm not in any way excusing his parents here, but if there's anyone here who can tell me they've heard one of his parents say they knowingly bought and allowed the use of an illegal scooter I'd like to hear it?Mind you the one area they may have a point is that the stupid things are openly sold pretty much everywhere, so people who don't do any research may well just assume they're perfectly legal.
From the linked articleredsonic wrote:The fact that they have monetised his death is particularly disturbing.
The GFM was organised by his employer. Whilst the irony is almost unbearable, it's not uncommon for us Blue Collar types to be supportive of each other in times like this.A GoFundMe has been launched by Safeworking Solutions, where Khye’s father Lee works, to support the family.
Appreciate the sentimentI am sorry you got involved with the death of an innocent like this.
Apart from the fact that I have not read a single line where the parents are blaming anyone, I stand by what I said. A society that abrogates it's responsibilities to children in order to blame individuals leaves a lot to be desired. To use a cycling metaphor, I doubt that the cycling revolution in Holland that began in the 70's would have occurred with that attitude.The blame lies squarely on parents. They always look to blame anyone and everyone else except themselves.
I certainly wasn't blaming the kid either, the parents are to blame and it wouldn't surprise me if his parents blamed the government or police - because that is what happens in Qld. No accountability at all, which is quite sad.fat and old wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:52 amCorrect, it doesn't matter. It's illegal, so tough to be him, at 12 years old. Now if that same 12-year-old had been riding a standard pushy, in the same spot, with the same result, it would have been noted in the 2024 Fatalities thread, and there would have been a call for a lynching. If it had of been a pedestrian, the pitchforks would be out.Andy01 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:42 amIt doesn't really matter whether he was riding on the road, or crossing the road - I think (happy to be corrected) the law says that it is illegal for a 12yo to be riding an e-device in a public place unsupervised (by an adult) - period.fat and old wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:51 am
Waited a while before posting. I was there. The kid wasn't riding on the road, he was crossing the road.
This wasn't a 12 y.o. carjacking or breaking and entering or stabbing some random on the street. It was a kid that had limited experience in the world around him who made a bad decision in trusting the adults around him to make the right decisions and to BE AWARE OF WHATS AROUND THEM WHEN DRIVING A MOTOR VEHICLE.
No amount of "it's illegal wah wah wah" is gonna change that.
Yeah it seems strange, given that over speed and over powered e-scooters are apparently a significant problem there. My guess is that (given what some Qld members here have said) their stupid laws around e-scooters are too weak to make it feasible. Apparently the police there can do nothing about over powered scooters unless they catch them in the act and can prove that they're speeding. So you can be on a scooter that is capable of 90 km/hr, but unless the police can catch you in that act there's nothing they can do.
I hear what you're saying Jason. Only last week I was passed at about 50cm on my local bikepath by 2 of those emotorbikes, also both doing monos at high speed. Unbelievably dangerous, and I believe that is probably their antisocial intention too. Made me think of the poor elderly cyclist who got killed by that "T.Denny" guy (who conveniently for police had his name written on his bike) while he was similarly hooning on a bike path. That was a conventional petrol motorbike, but it makes no difference to me, they're equally as dangerous. At least that guy got about 7 years jail for manslaughter out of it.
Unfortunately, don’t hold your breath waiting for it. The “community outrage factor” is not yet high enough for the bureacats to divert Police resources onto this emerging crisis.