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Yeah it's like the elephant in the room isn't it. Totally illegal for a 12 y.o. to even ride an e-scooter on the road in Vic. Plus it's almost certain that the parents not only allowed this but most likely bank rolled it as well. So there's the elephant, it's big, it's loud, it's obvious, but not one mention of it in that story.
Yes, the story said that private scooter injuries were generally more serious (than with hire ones), so higher speed is definitely the problem. Full face helmets might help the rider safety, but it does nothing to protect other path users from them. So much better to enforce the speed limits that they already have. Making the devices themselves require hardware speed limits (like e-bikes) would be a good start. Would make the policing much easier too.jasonc wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:50 pmOver 60% (of overall e-scooter related) hospital admissions are for private e scooters. Higher speed was suggested.
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Yup, the last 3 serious accidents (2 deaths) in SE Qld (that I have heard about in the media - recent months) have all been illegal - first was a 12yo girl riding to school, second was a young mum with no helmet, third was a 15yo boy.uart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:20 pmYeah it's like the elephant in the room isn't it. Totally illegal for a 12 y.o. to even ride an e-scooter on the road in Vic. Plus it's almost certain that the parents not only allowed this but most likely bank rolled it as well. So there's the elephant, it's big, it's loud, it's obvious, but not one mention of it in that story.
Absolutely. If the parents bought their kid a tiger and it killed the child, they would be charged with child endangerment.Realistically, the parents should be charged with breaking the law.
It's always someone else's problem. The government didn't stop us buying our kids illegal e-scooters and letting them ride them!Andy01 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:24 amStrange that families in all cases called on the government to strengthen laws, especially for kids. I wish someone would point out to these families publicly that the existing laws were ignored by them and the riders and both kids were not legally allowed to ride them but did so with parent's blessing (and, as said above, no doubt parents bought the scooters) - so strengthening the laws isn't likely to help.
Out riding yesterday and saw two kids of similar age buzzing along the footpath at over 30km/hr (past driveways etc w/out slowing down).redsonic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:27 pmNot saying he was a crazy eDevice rider, but a 12 year old boy was killed in a collision with a car and driver in Mill Park.
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A Go Fund Me campaign has raised $50 000 for his family. I think the police should be investigating them instead. How did a 12 year old end up illegally riding this escooter?
sounds very familiarNow, there are a lot of potential uses and users for e-bikes. There is a continuum starting with sporting or hobby riders who want the training and exercise benefit, but just want a little help on the hills. Then there are commuters. Then there are food delivery guys. And finally there are phone thieves.
The only group here that doesn’t want a bike that goes as fast as possible for as little effort as possible is the first one. I can see the benefits – if you’re recovering from injury, getting on in years, or living in a very hilly area and don’t always want a hard ride, it’s a great idea. That is, in fact, almost the entire market for a ‘traditional’ (by which I think I mean ‘legal’) e-bike.
Everyone else might as well buy the electric motorbike. And increasingly they are. Given there is zero enforcement of the laws around them, the only reason you wouldn’t is if you have a sort of grandstanding urge to be obedient or if you need to carry the thing up three flights of stairs on a regular basis.
Yeah this is the real problem. Out of interest I googled "escooters Melbourne" and Scooter Hut came up; they have 3 stores in Melbourne. I don't want to give them the gratification of a link, but they have at least one "children's" escooter for sale with no mentions of the law, even saying it is suitable for ages 6 and up.
Out of interest I just did a little research based on the e-bike descriptions above and instantly found one store openly selling a dual motor, 2 x 1000W motorcycle engined pedal assist e-bike with an optional throttle that weighs 49kg and has a maximum speed of 50km/hr.AdelaidePeter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:53 pmYeah this is the real problem. Out of interest I googled "escooters Melbourne" and Scooter Hut came up; they have 3 stores in Melbourne. I don't want to give them the gratification of a link, but they have at least one "children's" escooter for sale with no mentions of the law, even saying it is suitable for ages 6 and up.
I believe that it's not illegal for off-road (though maybe it should be).Mr Purple wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:02 pmOut of interest I just did a little research based on the e-bike descriptions above and instantly found one store openly selling a dual motor, 2 x 1000W motorcycle engined pedal assist e-bike with an optional throttle that weighs 49kg and has a maximum speed of 50km/hr.AdelaidePeter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:53 pmYeah this is the real problem. Out of interest I googled "escooters Melbourne" and Scooter Hut came up; they have 3 stores in Melbourne. I don't want to give them the gratification of a link, but they have at least one "children's" escooter for sale with no mentions of the law, even saying it is suitable for ages 6 and up.
Interesting how much of that is clearly illegal. It should be limited to 250W, not 2000W, it should not be available with a throttle, and with 2kW that maximum speed is clearly hugely understated.
it's illegal anywhere in public, including off road. so you could use it in your own, or another person's property, with their permission, of courseAdelaidePeter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:00 pmI believe that it's not illegal for off-road (though maybe it should be).Mr Purple wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:02 pmOut of interest I just did a little research based on the e-bike descriptions above and instantly found one store openly selling a dual motor, 2 x 1000W motorcycle engined pedal assist e-bike with an optional throttle that weighs 49kg and has a maximum speed of 50km/hr.AdelaidePeter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:53 pmYeah this is the real problem. Out of interest I googled "escooters Melbourne" and Scooter Hut came up; they have 3 stores in Melbourne. I don't want to give them the gratification of a link, but they have at least one "children's" escooter for sale with no mentions of the law, even saying it is suitable for ages 6 and up.
Interesting how much of that is clearly illegal. It should be limited to 250W, not 2000W, it should not be available with a throttle, and with 2kW that maximum speed is clearly hugely understated.
Well nothing's really illegal offroad. But anyone who spends $5300 on something like this instead of an actual dirt bike for offroad use honestly shouldn't be trusted with money because they're an idiot.AdelaidePeter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:00 pmI believe that it's not illegal for off-road (though maybe it should be).
Very true words there by cycling weekly Jason. I'm an older rider, and I often ride with people who fit that first category perfectly. It's not about speed for them, it's not about foregoing exercise either, it's just assistance for (non competitive) social rides that they might otherwise be unable to complete.jasonc wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:23 pmhttps://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/it-s ... -very-much
Now, there are a lot of potential uses and users for e-bikes. There is a continuum starting with sporting or hobby riders who want the training and exercise benefit, but just want a little help on the hills. Then there are commuters. Then there are food delivery guys. And finally there are phone thieves.
The only group here that doesn’t want a bike that goes as fast as possible for as little effort as possible is the first one.
No could about it. It's already making my commute, which has a crap load of bike only path, less safe. I have discussed using roads again