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MichaelB wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:17 am

Tim wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:16 am

MichaelB wrote:But which forum ?

Don't leave us in the dark!

Hahahah - I meant which topic here - Buying Bikes/Parts or General discussion ?

Either one.
I'll be subscribed

Just found it
Thanks.

Finally got an answer back from Vitus re the tyre clearance for the Vittesse EVO CRS frameset.

Their feedback was “30c is the recommended max tyre clearance, but some 32c will fit but it will be tight (mainly at the chainstays).

So, good option if you are inclined with hat frame set and specs

MichaelB wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:28 am

Finally got an answer back from Vitus re the tyre clearance for the Vittesse EVO CRS frameset.

Their feedback was “30c is the recommended max tyre clearance, but some 32c will fit but it will be tight (mainly at the chainstays).

So, good option if you are inclined with hat frame set and specs

I assume that you know about profile sizes being stated by some makers, being up to 3mm larger?

Foo

foo on patrol wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:01 am

I assume that you know about profile sizes being stated by some makers, being up to 3mm larger?

Foo

Yep. Tyre size is just a guide for some manufacturers !!

Was looking at Colnago Concept today:



Not the rim brake version, the disc brake version. It's very nice - the black team colour scheme there is pretty much the nicest colour scheme.

Hmm, actually the blue (NJBL) is not bad either:

https://www.colnago.com/en/bikes/concept/

NJGO is a bit ugly. NJWH (white) is a bland, red, hmm.

Canyon has got the new Ultimate CFR on their website:

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... imate-cfr/

It looks good in both colour options (especially the stealth one) and is light, but it isn't quite as extreme as the CF Evo was as far as weight.

Interesting that there is no E-Tap available.

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:32 pm

Canyon has got the new Ultimate CFR on their website:

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... imate-cfr/

It looks good in both colour options (especially the stealth one) and is light, but it isn't quite as extreme as the CF Evo was as far as weight.

Very nice, lethal looking thing.

Not cheap , but nice.

And making that look cheap:

https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/blog/20 ... at-to-know

s-Works Tarmac SL7. It is a light and aero bike. Also has a threaded bottom bracket which should make many people happy.

It will also take up to 32mm tyres (claimed).

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:44 am

And making that look cheap:

https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/blog/20 ... at-to-know

s-Works Tarmac SL7. It is a light and aero bike. Also has a threaded bottom bracket which should make many people happy.

It will also take up to 32mm tyres (claimed).

Good to see the brands are listening. Spesh has gone back to threaded BSA for all but their high end models - apparently they figured out what we all knew - that pressfit tolerances are crap and require a lot more QA to actually work. I don't know how trek managed to sell bikes for as long as they did with their own proprietry BBs but they too have come to their senses and taken up T47. I did a lot of research on BBs when building my Ti bike, and in the end threaded was the most fool proof imo.

Agree. Will probably end up with T47 on my bike.

And in a trip down memory lane, I remembered the Cinelli Nuovo SuperCorsa that I briefly owns about 10 years ago. Sadly my pics were on ImageShack, so need to dig through the laptop to find some and repost.

Should never have sold it !

Calvin27 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:27 am

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:44 am

And making that look cheap:

https://www.bikeexchange.com.au/blog/20 ... at-to-know

s-Works Tarmac SL7. It is a light and aero bike. Also has a threaded bottom bracket which should make many people happy.

It will also take up to 32mm tyres (claimed).

Good to see the brands are listening. Spesh has gone back to threaded BSA for all but their high end models - apparently they figured out what we all knew - that pressfit tolerances are crap and require a lot more QA to actually work. I don't know how trek managed to sell bikes for as long as they did with their own proprietry BBs but they too have come to their senses and taken up T47. I did a lot of research on BBs when building my Ti bike, and in the end threaded was the most fool proof imo.

Funny thing is I never had any major problems on the bottom bracket of my old Madone from 2012. Still have that bike. It just has press-fit whatever and runs okay. My Canyon at the moment is also a pressfit and doesn't do any creaking and hasn't done so from the word go. It has more kilometres since March 2019 than the bikes of three people probably have done in a year combined.

That said, various suppliers are coming forward to solve those press-fit problems once and for all, the likes of BBInfinite and others.

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:46 pm

Funny thing is I never had any major problems on the bottom bracket of my old Madone from 2012.

Treks actually managed to do press fit ok - I haven't heard of any issues at all actually. The issue was more that they went out on a limb and created their own standard. Heck they even managed to get distribution done ok but alas it is an orphaned standards that is only slightly marginally better than PF86/92 from a technical standpoint.

Look 795 Blade RS is pretty nice (also in disc version):

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... p?t=157523

Some things are a bit old hat though with the cables not nicely integrated at the front and it's a fairly heavy thing too compared with some others.

Appears some other versions are more neatly done around the front:
https://www.winterparkcycles.com/795-bl ... t-di2.html

Interesting.

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:32 pm

Canyon has got the new Ultimate CFR on their website:

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... imate-cfr/

It looks good in both colour options (especially the stealth one) and is light, but it isn't quite as extreme as the CF Evo was as far as weight.

That might be true for the overall build weight but the Ultimate CFR disc-brake frame is lighter than CF Evo (rim brake) frame by 24 grams while the fork is 10 grams heavier.

biker jk wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:36 pm

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:32 pm

Canyon has got the new Ultimate CFR on their website:

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... imate-cfr/

It looks good in both colour options (especially the stealth one) and is light, but it isn't quite as extreme as the CF Evo was as far as weight.

That might be true for the overall build weight but the Ultimate CFR disc-brake frame is lighter than CF Evo (rim brake) frame by 24 grams while the fork is 10 grams heavier.

10g !! Holy Smokes, better not buy that one then ....

MichaelB wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:33 pm

biker jk wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:36 pm

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:32 pm

Canyon has got the new Ultimate CFR on their website:

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... imate-cfr/

It looks good in both colour options (especially the stealth one) and is light, but it isn't quite as extreme as the CF Evo was as far as weight.

That might be true for the overall build weight but the Ultimate CFR disc-brake frame is lighter than CF Evo (rim brake) frame by 24 grams while the fork is 10 grams heavier.

10g !! Holy Smokes, better not buy that one then ....

Marginal losses/gains add up.

Its interesting, spending quite a chunk of money on a bike (for the 1st time), and in my case that's close to $10k (eeeek, better not type that too many times ...). But what I'm building is going to be a 1 off, and has all the bits that I like/want for MY needs, and not what someone else has packaged together and slapped s cost + xx% markup.

If you compare the Discus colossus to either the SL7 Specialised or the Ultimate CFR**, whilst their probab;ly brilliant bikes and will be lighter than mine, there will be many others around the world that have the very same bike.

And that's one thing that has never really interested me

Interestingly, the frame modules $5.5k for the Canyon (but has bars, stem & seatpost) and $4.5k for the SL7 (seatpost & stem, but no bars), it's not that much cheaper than the $6k for my fully custom artisan steel frame.



Nice bike though, and I'd plump for the Canyon tho. Mainly because that's not how we spell specialised ......

** - Interesting to note, no SRAM version - only DA Di2 or EPS .....

MichaelB wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:09 am

Its interesting, spending quite a chunk of money on a bike (for the 1st time), and in my case that's close to $10k (eeeek, better not type that too many times ...). But what I'm building is going to be a 1 off, and has all the bits that I like/want for MY needs, and not what someone else has packaged together and slapped s cost + xx% markup.

If you compare the Discus colossus to either the SL7 Specialised or the Ultimate CFR**, whilst their probab;ly brilliant bikes and will be lighter than mine, there will be many others around the world that have the very same bike.

And that's one thing that has never really interested me

Interestingly, the frame modules $5.5k for the Canyon (but has bars, stem & seatpost) and $4.5k for the SL7 (seatpost & stem, but no bars), it's not that much cheaper than the $6k for my fully custom artisan steel frame.



Nice bike though, and I'd plump for the Canyon tho. Mainly because that's not how we spell specialised ......

** - Interesting to note, no SRAM version - only DA Di2 or EPS .....

When you have a bike that is already below the UCI weight limit (by a big margin) on alloy wheels, then you just don’t care about any further weight reduction. The rest is all the engine, and I’m less than 60kg anyway and have some okay fitness.

I’ve only ever seen a couple of other CF Evos, an orange one and a ML size brown (below). And they were all in the same place. They aren’t all that common so it seems.



That was in Megève, I've never seen any others since.

I knew that bike was going to be light, but I wasn't expecting it to be such a comfortable thing to ride over long distances. That's really been the best thing about it. If the new CFR is like that as well then it'd be easy to recommend. When you ride a lot that becomes the major factor along with the bike being dependable (ie, no nonsense components). When it is also very light that's just a bonus.

But you pay for it obviously and things like H36 handlebars are very expensive for these bikes. Things like the "Evo Cockpit" (the special integrated bar/stem for the CF Evo disc and CFR) are not even listed on the Canyon website - only available if you already have such a bike. It was certainly cheaper than the other options I had at the time, everything just got lifted from the other bike and put on this one. I look at disc brake bikes from time to time but in truth I'm not in any hurry to actually buy one unless something came up at a really tempting price (and was a similarly nice bike).

**I don't know why there is no SRAM E-Tap on the new Ultimate CFR... That's unusual.

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:20 am

...The rest is all the engine, and I’m less than 60kg anyway and have some okay fitness.

...

Think that is a bit of an understatement ...

MichaelB wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:08 pm

g-boaf wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:20 am

...The rest is all the engine, and I’m less than 60kg anyway and have some okay fitness.

...

Think that is a bit of an understatement ...

There is always someone faster around the corner. Around here there are some really fast riders.

Factor Ostro:

https://factorbikes.com/models/ostro/

Hmm - I do like that in the flicker colour scheme.

I was lucky enough to ride the Factor ONE and O2 when the were released back at the TdU a few years ago. Bloody nice bikes but exxy. Interestingly, the price has come down somewhat and the split downtube of the ONE has gone.

The Flicker colour is the only decent one, but they do have a Prisma Studio where you can customise the colours, but atm it appears to be the O2 only.



Different, but not the "good" different

MichaelB wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:47 pm

I was lucky enough to ride the Factor ONE and O2 when the were released back at the TdU a few years ago. Bloody nice bikes but exxy. Interestingly, the price has come down somewhat and the split downtube of the ONE has gone.

The Flicker colour is the only decent one, but they do have a Prisma Studio where you can customise the colours, but atm it appears to be the O2 only.

https://factorbikes.com/wp-content/uplo ... Peach_.jpg

Different, but not the "good" different

I saw that one, that's not nice at all. Urgh. The price of the Factor is more easy to take than the the S-Works Tarmac SL7.

Still the nicest I ever saw was a Canyon Ultimate CF SLX in Valloire back in 2018, gloss black with gold outlined Canyon logo . I have never seen another one like it since. I guess it was a custom repaint. The rider was very fast as well so I didn't manage to catch him and ask more about it.

This thread has stuck in my head.

If I were to grab something 'special' I'd either have a Hillman frame built, or maybe one of Baum's Ristretto frames.



But I'd stick with mechanicals and rim brakes, I have no need or desire for Playstation-shifting or discs on my fun ride.

Maybe a set of nice hand-built mid-profile rims on Dura-Ace hubs and gumwall Vittoria Corsa to finish it off....