Returning to training after illness

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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:54 am

wombatK wrote:The best laid plans often go astray, and OTOH sometimes things you don't plan work out just great. In our case, twin 2 was a smaller than twin 1, but turned out to be a fighter and made up for that; and we were really lucky that none of the 4 had any serious health issues. Also we did plan successfully to put the cue back in the rack at 4. It's not for everybody, but we haven't regretted it for one moment.
Hmmm - avoid reading this if you are the sensitive, emotional type. I know I get emotional when I read other peoples premmie stories. (Just hit the "quote" button if you want to read it).

Ours entered the world at 28 weeks 3 days gestation, twin2 had somewhere between a grade 3 (serious) and grade 4 (turn off the life support) brain haemorrhage - which he has managed to get past with almost no issues at all. After the bleed, a blood clot in the ventricles caused hydrocephalus requiring lumbar punctures to relieve pressure but luckily it (partially) cleared before they put a shunt into his brain. Then six weeks later a nurses was bottle feeding the healthy one while TALKING TO SOMEONE, and he stopped breathing and coded - luckily, no brain damage. I didn't get the post traumatic stress disorder until a few weeks later when they rang up and my wife burst into tears - it was only a call to notify us that they had screwed up and given one of our twins breast milk from someone else by accident (cue a stack of blood tests)... but hey, I guess I was close to the edge. The whole time this was happening, I was going through testing which eventually identified that early in my wife's pregnancy I'd lost most of my digestive enzymes from my small intestine which (mainly because I was living off some of my vast quantities of stored flab to the tune of 1kg per week) massively increased my stress hormone levels. Six months to get over the basic PTSD (out of control startle reflex and inability to shut out noise), but I now suffer from depression, lack concentration and motivation - basically, I'm not the person I was before.


BUT - I got to take them home, and there were children in NICU who were doing better than our little one and then died. And I love them to death. Seriously, I wouldn't change a thing... except maybe the whole premmy, brain bleed, PTSD, depression stuff. :roll:

Oh, and the source of that accidental breast milk? - about a month after they took their twins home, their house was stormed by the armed response unit who arrested the guy who was sleeping on the floor of their house. He'd been breaking into houses of women and raping them at knifepoint over a six month period.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby drubie » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:26 am

twizzle wrote:
wombatK wrote:The best laid plans often go astray, and OTOH sometimes things you don't plan work out just great. In our case, twin 2 was a smaller than twin 1, but turned out to be a fighter and made up for that; and we were really lucky that none of the 4 had any serious health issues. Also we did plan successfully to put the cue back in the rack at 4. It's not for everybody, but we haven't regretted it for one moment.
Hmmm - avoid reading this if you are the sensitive, emotional type. I know I get emotional when I read other peoples premmie stories. (Just hit the "quote" button if you want to read it).
Geez, what a story.

Our eldest one wasn't growing and showed 6 weeks early (emergency caeserean after a placental rupture) and we felt like frauds in amongst the other poor little kids. Here we were, woken up at 3AM both covered in blood with wife stunned, me trying to keep it calm and together, not knowing which bit of the hospital we should show up to. It all worked out though.

At 1.6kg 'bella looked like a little porcelain doll compared to a normal baby, but compared to the tiny raw red slips of existence that some of those other kids were, she was a bouncing, healthy giant. Her first feed was 5mls of breast milk in a syringe straight into the belly, which was an unbelievable feast compared to the wired up, drip fed and ventilated babies.

Actually, I think the worst part was those poor other parents in there wishing they were us. It was written all over their brave public faces barely hiding their strain - their lack of sleep, worry, their private devastation, trying not to think of the long term consequences of what happened (blindness? brain damage? lungs that refuse to inflate, the brain bleeds that twizzles kids had). It's an awful, awful place amongst the humidicribs but I wouldn't swap a second of it.

Although, I can't watch the TV shows about premmie babies at all, I just have to leave the room. The nurses at King George hospital == saints.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:45 am

drubie wrote:Although, I can't watch the TV shows about premmie babies at all, I just have to leave the room.
Same here.

My wife can. Women are tough!
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby drubie » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:28 pm

twizzle wrote: My wife can. Women are tough!
Not wrong there. There's a surprising amount of heaving and tugging going on extracting kids during a caeser :oops: but there weren't many complaints coming out.

Now we need a thread about what to do when on the indoor trainer while recovering. Favourite music? TDF DVD? I can barely stand 10 minutes on it so 30 is going to be a real challenge :mrgreen:
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby lemmiwinks » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:22 pm

drubie wrote:There's a surprising amount of heaving and tugging going on extracting kids during a caeser
They must be tough, just reading that I feel faint!
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby drubie » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:42 pm

lemmiwinks wrote:
drubie wrote:There's a surprising amount of heaving and tugging going on extracting kids during a caeser
They must be tough, just reading that I feel faint!
To be fair to the doc involved, bella had realised something was up and was halfway down the chute! Head came out with a distinctive sloppy "pop" noise (yeah, I know, disgusting).

Apparently slicing through a uterus is no picnic - it's like a really tough bit of steak and much worse when contracting.

(sorry, back to your normal programming...)
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby JV911 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:46 pm

JV911 wrote:<rant>

why do people insist on coming to work when they've got the flu?!?!?!?

two inconsiderate people in the office coughing and sneezing all over the place...i'll be seriously !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! off if i get crook 3 days before the first of the spring crits and a 3 day weekend

i've been lucky all winter and have not had the flu this year </touches wood>

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guess what - i think i'm getting a sore throat :x :x :x
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:09 pm

just try recovery level to low level 1/endurance pace for a while to see how that feels.
do 30-60 min and I think you'll get a good sense after that whether it was a good/bad idea. Avoid hills and any hard efforts.
Better to be off for 7 days and start real easy than go hard and end up being off for 5 weeks.

2 weeks enforced break and sure it'll take a while to get the legs back but you bounce back pretty quickly if you are sensible.

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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:23 pm

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:health is #1 priority.
Any comments re. Cadel at the start of the year who was reported in one of the magazines as having a really bad cold or similar but was still training? Do elite level athletes have some justification for doing this, ie. risking further illness is better than being unable to exercise for a few weeks?
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:20 pm

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:just try recovery level to low level 1/endurance pace for a while to see how that feels.
do 30-60 min and I think you'll get a good sense after that whether it was a good/bad idea. Avoid hills and any hard efforts.
Better to be off for 7 days and start real easy than go hard and end up being off for 5 weeks.

2 weeks enforced break and sure it'll take a while to get the legs back but you bounce back pretty quickly if you are sensible.

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Thanks Alex. Good advice. The link was really good too. The bit that said "Influenza symptoms usually include pyrexia (high fever), a pounding headache, severe aches and pains, fatigue and general lethargy. Often 'flu victims are laid up in bed for several days" was interesting for me. I have a mild fever and some slight nasal congestion. Definitely not 'flu so combined with the advice above I will try some low level riding and see how it feels.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:08 am

twizzle wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:health is #1 priority.
Any comments re. Cadel at the start of the year who was reported in one of the magazines as having a really bad cold or similar but was still training? Do elite level athletes have some justification for doing this, ie. risking further illness is better than being unable to exercise for a few weeks?
Do you sometimes go to work even though you are a bit sick - especially when the pressure is on to get a good result/outcome when there is a non-negotiable deadline?

I can't comment on Cadel - I don't know him, his health status or the nature of advice he received. I'm sure he made what he felt was the best decision at the time.

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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby wombatK » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:12 am

drubie wrote: Geez, what a story.
Certainly is - for both of you and partners. But you've played the cards you're dealt as best you can, and experiences like this make you a better person in the end. It's how we handle adversity and the unexpected that really defines what kind of people we are - and it makes the kids growing up in these families much nicer people. So I admire everyone who gets through what you've been dealt, and it's something you should be proud about.

It probably also makes you realise how precious life is - and how quickly it can go pear-shaped. That's not a bad thing if it makes you careful about treating any illness and the recovery back to full training.

Alex's advice is spot-on - his linked article has the best explanation I've seen or heard of how to distinguish between a cold and a flu.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby Tale » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:36 am

I sympathise about an illness with middle ear infections. I had that in May/June and it knocked me flat. I had lost a lot of weight through commuting in the four previous months, and during my illness (at the start of winter) I had trouble staying warm enough in my new thin body, so I deliberately put some weight back on. In July I was working too hard to fit commuting in, so I put more weight on.

Resumed commuting in early August and after two months I'm nearly back to the condition I had in May. It was hard to break through that barrier again, and sometimes in that month or two it felt like it was never going to happen, but it gives you a goal and you will get there. Hell, even during the illness I felt like I'd never get back to good health, but I did. So don't worry too much - look after yourself, get better and take it easy until you are well again. Then you'll be on a mission and when you get back to where you were, you'll feel great.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby JV911 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:34 am

JV911 wrote:guess what - i think i'm getting a sore throat :x :x :x
false alarm - gargled salt water yesterday arvo then had a couple of strepsils

feel good this morning - the best i've felt all week actually. even got in a quick 40km before work :mrgreen:
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:43 am

Tale wrote:I sympathise about an illness with middle ear infections...
Back when I started riding again in 2006, I got chest infections and ended up off the bike for two months. I'd lost 11kg in the prior six months... and then managed to put 5kg back on in those six weeks. :oops:

I've been good this time - I've lost weight being sick.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:19 pm

:shock: ...our twins just make finding spare time bit difficult and a lot of noise... apart from that they haven't even had antibiotics yet...although they were quite comfy in mum's tummy and did everything they could to stay there,was a scary 48 hours in hospital,inducing when one is in breach position is not a good idea :roll: ... :lol:

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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:31 pm

toolonglegs wrote::shock: ...our twins just make finding spare time bit difficult and a lot of noise... apart from that they haven't even had antibiotics yet...although they were quite comfy in mum's tummy and did everything they could to stay there,was a scary 48 hours in hospital,inducing when one is in breach position is not a good idea :roll: ... :lol:
I didn't bother to mention it... but when everything went pear shaped they didn't even have time to do an emergency C-Sect, so twin1 was delivered frank breach (butt first, feet up around the head) and wasn't expected to survive the process. Two full teams from NICU, fourteen people in the room... Crap - bringing up bad memories here. :cry:

Some good news - I'm feeling half human today. Blocked ear, sore throat but only a mild temperature.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby wombatK » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:17 pm

twizzle wrote:two full teams from NICU, fourteen people in the room.
toolonglegs wrote: inducing when one is in breach position is not a good idea
Geez, nearly enough to scare you out of having kids... but don't freak out fellas if the docs tell you to expect this.

When my wife developed toxaemia with our twins we were told "they're coming ready or not tomorrow morning". Twin1 was in breach possie, so we were told to expect an army of people and not to be frightened - especially if I got booted out of the room. Pretty scary night - but twin1 promptly turned herself around during the early hours of the morning, and everything worked so well from there that the doc didn't get back to the room in time to deliver Twin1 and I had a dammned hard time getting the midwife back from her morning tea break. Doc did manage to knock over the tea trolley in his rush, and everyone had a great laugh about that.

Glad to hear you're feeling on the up today twizzle. Weekend weather is looking miserable, so at least you shouldn't feel like you're missing out on too much.

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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:26 pm

Twins - such a joy. But thank goodness the memory of the first year fades over time.

Feeling MUCH better tonight. Can't hear through my left ear, throat is still sore, but I don't have a raging temp for the first time in a week.

And I've just fitted the PowerTap. What is it about hi-tech American products and crappy manuals??!? No clear pic of how to mount the hub pickup, and the computer mount pics don't have any orientation info in the pics so you have to work it all out on the bike. It all came down to trial and error... and don't get me started on the computer mode instructions and the additional single A4 page explaining how the 'new' computer handles wireless HR and how to setup the codes. Dopes. :evil:
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby drubie » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:19 pm

Oh dear.

Commuted to work fine this week - some coughing going on but nothing major.
A couple of 20 minute sessions on the trainer were fine.

Todays race - total disaster. Got sent off with B grade and started coughing on the first climb (it's a dry cough that restricts your breathing at this stage). Managed to just hang onto the back of the group for the first 5k but got dropped quickly when the climbing started again.

Got overtaken by much of C grade who started 30 seconds behind.

Started to feel better again, but every big exertion induced the dry cough. Then had a flat tire on the home leg.

Still, even a crappy afternoon on the bike is better than nothing. Although I think I might stick to the trainer for another week as climbing is definitely out.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:01 am

40 minutes on the trainer last night, hovering between 120 and 130HR, a dry throat being the only issue. I'm going to stick to this level of exertion for the next week, and (probably) start commuting again this week and then start training again towards the end of next week.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby Dunk » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:01 pm

What about if your following a program, where do you restart?

I'm in bed now with a case of gastro :evil: . My program (from Alex) calls for 3hr LR tomorrow and then I go into a recovery period. Should I skip the ride tomorrow and do the Z1 rides starting Tuesday next week? Or have a week off and go back two weeks and start the period again?

Or should I toughen up, drop some !!! Spammer !!! and ride tomorrow :D

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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:11 pm

Dunk wrote:What about if your following a program, where do you restart?

I'm in bed now with a case of gastro :evil: . My program (from Alex) calls for 3hr LR tomorrow and then I go into a recovery period. Should I skip the ride tomorrow and do the Z1 rides starting Tuesday next week? Or have a week off and go back two weeks and start the period again?

Or should I toughen up, drop some !!! Spammer !!! and ride tomorrow :D
Just go easy or rest and make sure illness doesn't deepen. You can pick up program when feeling better.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby drubie » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:27 pm

I slacked off a bit - got back into it this week with a 30k club ride on Thursday, a little trot on Friday and then felt dodgy again on Saturday and skipped a criterium.

70kms with the club this morning at a moderate pace would've been fine except for the last 10k where the legs really struggled. I can categorically state that the cough is gone but the legs are going to take some work :D

I can only reiterate this: coming back too soon is a mistake, it's all too easy to get a bit depressed about losing fitness but you can get it back.
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Re: Returning to training after illness

Postby twizzle » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:32 am

Would you believe that I know two other people who've just had whooping cough?
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