Tubeless roadbike tyres

[warthog1]

I refuse to pay that amount for riding around the streets or on dirt. I'll pay $100+ for racing tyres but not coffee shop or training rides.

Foo

I do have some sympathy for this attitude. It is just that tubeless has given the tyre manufacturers the excuse to charge way more than they previously did. It is my experience that it is way better than tubed, so much so, that it has almost eliminated punctures for me. They also ride well and going to wider rims also I have dropped pressure with larger tyres. Grip, comfort and wear have improved. I have no desire to go back tubed, as for me, tubeless is just so much better.
Still, not paying the ridiculous price asked for some of them. Conti aero 111 being one. Conti full stop in tubeless form actually. All over my $100- limit. Pirelli seems to be joining in with some of their tyres too. Plenty of people seem willing to pay it, so I don't see the price correcting anytime soon unfortunately.

[Thoglette]

Handmade tubulars?

https://www.fmbtires.com/

Absolutely. Don’t want to wear them out by using them for other purposes. And coffee stops are the only time that anyone will notice them

[warthog1]

Handmade tubulars?

https://www.fmbtires.com/

Absolutely. Don’t want to wear them out by using them for other purposes. And coffee stops are the only time that anyone will notice them

[2wheels_mond]

I refuse to pay that amount for riding around the streets or on dirt. I'll pay $100+ for racing tyres but not coffee shop or training rides.

Foo

I do have some sympathy for this attitude. It is just that tubeless has given the tyre manufacturers the excuse to charge way more than they previously did. It is my experience that it is way better than tubed, so much so, that it has almost eliminated punctures for me. They also ride well and going to wider rims also I have dropped pressure with larger tyres. Grip, comfort and wear have improved. I have no desire to go back tubed, as for me, tubeless is just so much better.
Still, not paying the ridiculous price asked for some of them. Conti aero 111 being one. Conti full stop in tubeless form actually. All over my $100- limit. Pirelli seems to be joining in with some of their tyres too. Plenty of people seem willing to pay it, so I don't see the price correcting anytime soon unfortunately.

In fairness, I get so much more mileage out of modern tubeless tyres that it evens out. Back when I started in 2012, a GP4000 23mm was only about $40 (so about $55 adjusted for inflation), but you were lucky to get maybe 3,000km on a rear tyre before it needed replacement. I just replaced a rear 30mm Pirelli P Zero Race TLR after 11,000km - with tubeless I am able to wear it down further, have less punctures, and a lower $/cost per km (at $85 per tyre for the Pirellis). The initial cost sucks, but the ability to have long lasting, puncture-resistant tyres that are still grippy and have a low rolling resistance is worth the trade-off to me. Well, at least at $85/tyre! Agree that anything above $100 is starting to look pretty wild.

[foo on patrol]

I refuse to pay that amount for riding around the streets or on dirt. I'll pay $100+ for racing tyres but not coffee shop or training rides.

Foo

I do have some sympathy for this attitude. It is just that tubeless has given the tyre manufacturers the excuse to charge way more than they previously did. It is my experience that it is way better than tubed, so much so, that it has almost eliminated punctures for me. They also ride well and going to wider rims also I have dropped pressure with larger tyres. Grip, comfort and wear have improved. I have no desire to go back tubed, as for me, tubeless is just so much better.
Still, not paying the ridiculous price asked for some of them. Conti aero 111 being one. Conti full stop in tubeless form actually. All over my $100- limit. Pirelli seems to be joining in with some of their tyres too. Plenty of people seem willing to pay it, so I don't see the price correcting anytime soon unfortunately.

In fairness, I get so much more mileage out of modern tubeless tyres that it evens out. Back when I started in 2012, a GP4000 23mm was only about $40 (so about $55 adjusted for inflation), but you were lucky to get maybe 3,000km on a rear tyre before it needed replacement. I just replaced a rear 30mm Pirelli P Zero Race TLR after 11,000km - with tubeless I am able to wear it down further, have less punctures, and a lower $/cost per km (at $85 per tyre for the Pirellis). The initial cost sucks, but the ability to have long lasting, puncture-resistant tyres that are still grippy and have a low rolling resistance is worth the trade-off to me. Well, at least at $85/tyre! Agree that anything above $100 is starting to look pretty wild.

I was getting 5-6000klms out of those when I was using them up at Bribie Island and it was very abrasive conditions with the sand blowing everywhere.

Foo

[warthog1]

I used to get about 4k km out out of GP4k s2 on the rear, they were my go to tyre. In a 23 though. They were a big tyre for the listed size. A 23 was all that would fit in the rear on the S5 and that was with a cigarette paper of clearance.
Got a touch over 5k km out of a 30mm rear Schwalbe pro one I got for $80-. It had a bit left, maybe 1k, but was getting thin. I wanted to try a 32 on the rear which is on there now. Measures 35mm on a 25mm int rim. The Reacto has excellent tyre clearance!

[Mr Purple]

Are we playing 'how long do we get out of tyres?' I should probably steer clear of this game.

Took the TCR for a decent ride today and have to say the Cadex 28mm 'Race' are pretty average for dry grip. Probably not too bad rolling resistance though, I think I'll put the 28mm GP5000 TR on next.

Anyone think I should skip 28mm and go straight to 30mm? Just seems a bit wrong.

[warthog1]

30 on the rear yes. Carries the weight and the drive. Aero is more important on the front wheel in clean air. With the bigger tyre you may be able to run less air and have tyre skip less as you stand and climb. That will be what is wearing them out.