the Crazy eDevice rider thread

[skyblot]

New one for me today, scooter (and rider) with rope attached, towing an MTB and rider, uphill, at 40kmh plus. (Brisbane north)

[jasonc]

New one for me today, scooter (and rider) with rope attached, towing an MTB and rider, uphill, at 40kmh plus. (Brisbane north)

Had that happen a few weeks ago out the front of my place

[jasonc]

this kid has been going along the western fwy bike way at 60+km/h
there's a picture in the last few pages of him going along sylvan rd doing a mono.
it's an electric motorbike.

[jasonc]

this kid has been going along the western fwy bike way at 60+km/h
there's a picture in the last few pages of him going along sylvan rd doing a mono.
it's an electric motorbike.

good news - qps allow you to report trail bikes

and I have done so

[Mr Purple]

They're the ones I find the worst.

It's clearly an electric motorbike. It doesn't even superficially resemble anything legal - not an E-bike nor an e-scooter.

And yet these idiots are somehow repeatedly riding them on public roads and bikeways without any obvious consequences?

You'd think the first time they were spotted by any authority the thing would be confiscated. It's legally pretty much the same as driving an unregistered race car on a public road. And yet because they're 'electric' it doesn't seem to happen. Weird oversight.

[Andy01]

The one I mentioned above that was doing 55km/h along a suburban footpath (about 1m wide and crossing mulitple home's driveways) was just like this - fully electric trailbike - nothing like an e-bike or e-scooter.

The problem with reporting them is how ? "I saw an all-black unlicensed, unmarked, unidentifiable electric motorbike with no lights or number plates, ridden by a young male with a helmet that covered his entire face, and he was doing 55km/h along a footpath". It doesn't give QPS much to go on, so they will almost certainly just ignore it.

Even if I had video (which I didn't because I was driving my car - hence me being able to determine his speed), not riding my bike (which does have cameras), it still wouldn't give them anything to go on - unless I could demonstrate that the person did it at the same time every day (which I can't) so that they could wait for him.

They are also very similar to the two electric motorbikes I saw parked right outside a local Subway (on the centre's "footpath" up against the Subway window) right across the road from our local police station with two young teenage boys inside Subway (one was very definitely under 16yo). Unfortunately that time I was rushing from one medical appointment to the other, so no time to walk across the street to report it (and I wasn't about to start photographing young boys in public for evidence ). The young boys had obviously ridden the e-devices (illegal) there illegally, and had no thought to even attempting to conceal the fact (by parking them in a parking space in the small centre for example). Total ignorance or contempt for the laws - perhaps both.

To my thinking, reporting a trail bike only helps if you can identify the bike or rider, or know exactly where they live etc - ie. give the police something concrete to work with.

[jasonc]

To my thinking, reporting a trail bike only helps if you can identify the bike or rider, or know exactly where they live etc - ie. give the police something concrete to work with.

I've seen this kid, and his friends, at a similar time. so referenced that in the submission
the similar time will help, if they can be bothered

[jasonc]

[g-boaf]

Went walking yesterday afternoon with a neighbour on our local shared path and it was endless e-devices, high speed electrified mountain bikes (no pedalling needed), and if it wasn't those, it was the trailbikes and quad-bikes, then worse, two small motorised scooters (with road-rego plates on them).

Checking the rego of one of them on the NSW Rego check site, it doesn't show up as valid.

I know where one of the trail bikes comes from, I think the two quad-bikes come from the same house. I might report them.

[jasonc]

Checking the rego of one of them on the NSW Rego check site, it doesn't show up as valid.

I know where one of the trail bikes comes from, I think the two quad-bikes come from the same house. I might report them.

If it was me, I would 100% be reporting them

[jasonc]

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/ebay-bans-electric-bikes

[jasonc]

Saw an escooter rider getting the third degree from police in spring Hill this afternoon

[Cyclophiliac]

I was on a train today, and saw a teenager with a bike in the carriage, an e-bike with no pedals, just large hollow metal tubes where the pedals should have been. Teenagers riding motorbikes.

[grt046]

Reposted to the appropriate thread

Two incidents this week involving scooters on the Petrie to Kippa Ring Rail path.
The first involved a teenager approaching at speed while texting with one hand with eyes on the phone. I slowed and kept as far left as possible and hoped for the best as he passed probably unaware of my presence.
The second again involved a scooter that veered onto the approaching lane on a blind bend taking out two cyclists, one with quite severe injuries a fellow club member.
With the prevalence of scooters approaching at high speed on the path (well above 25kph) I am starting to believe it might be safer on the road

[elantra]

……
Two incidents this week involving scooters on the Petrie to Kippa Ring Rail path.
The first involved a teenager approaching at speed while texting with one hand with eyes on the phone. I slowed and kept as far left as possible and hoped for the best as he passed probably unaware of my presence.
The second again involved a scooter that veered onto the approaching lane on a blind bend taking out two cyclists, one with quite severe injuries a fellow club member.
With the prevalence of scooters approaching at high speed on the path (well above 25kph) I am starting to believe it might be safer on the road

In Brisbane today and ventured out on the Bicycle/shared usage pathways from Darra/Jindalee to Toowong.

Based on my limited experience today it appears that the “Crazy e-device” users like to sleep in on a Sunday morning.
I didn’t see many people on e-devices this morning. But there were lots of people on traditional bicycles (which to me includes mainstream e-bikes) The overwhelming majority of these people appeared to be adults over the age of 25.
There were more cyclists than pedestrians on the cycle path. Many more.

It’s a very significant infrastructure which is well used by recreational and commuter cyclists.
Has a few serious issues though.
The current bridge works at Jindalee (over the Brisbane River) are a jolly nuisance.
And the major road crossings at the Ommaney Shopping Centre and at Miskin Road are dreadful.

[jasonc]

……
Two incidents this week involving scooters on the Petrie to Kippa Ring Rail path.
The first involved a teenager approaching at speed while texting with one hand with eyes on the phone. I slowed and kept as far left as possible and hoped for the best as he passed probably unaware of my presence.
The second again involved a scooter that veered onto the approaching lane on a blind bend taking out two cyclists, one with quite severe injuries a fellow club member.
With the prevalence of scooters approaching at high speed on the path (well above 25kph) I am starting to believe it might be safer on the road

In Brisbane today and ventured out on the Bicycle/shared usage pathways from Darra/Jindalee to Toowong.

Based on my limited experience today it appears that the “Crazy e-device” users like to sleep in on a Sunday morning.
I didn’t see many people on e-devices this morning. But there were lots of people on traditional bicycles (which to me includes mainstream e-bikes) The overwhelming majority of these people appeared to be adults over the age of 25.
There were more cyclists than pedestrians on the cycle path. Many more.

It’s a very significant infrastructure which is well used by recreational and commuter cyclists.
Has a few serious issues though.
The current bridge works at Jindalee (over the Brisbane River) are a jolly nuisance.
And the major road crossings at the Ommaney Shopping Centre and at Miskin Road are dreadful.

That's my daily commute. I rarely ride on weekends. The pmd riders during the week, when dry, are plentiful. Inactive transport for the win

[elantra]

……….
That's my daily commute. I rarely ride on weekends. The pmd riders during the week, when dry, are plentiful. Inactive transport for the win

Yes I would imagine that it’s a whole different ball game Monday to Friday. And perhaps Saturday.

Today I used some of the “industrial area” roads between Darra and Camira. They are almost traffic-free on a Sunday morning but would it will be a different story at 6am tomorrow morning.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s great cycling conditions. No traffic but a lot of debris on the road shoulders. Bits of gravel, bits of load restraint systems, bits of broken mudguards and a fair bit of broken glass.
Also, wherever there is a side road or even a driveway sometimes the road surface is rough as. Because the heavy vehicles as they turn tightly the multi-axles scrub out the road surface.
You might not notice this in a car but do on a bicycle !
As for that new bridge - I can’t see how that is going to solve any of Brisbane’s west side traffic congestion.
Unless it gives cyclists (and pedestrians) a nicer one than the current river crossing pathway which is a disgrace

[jasonc]

Elantra. The bridge upgrade will provide a 5m wide shared path. I hope it's segregated

[jasonc]

One of these in the bike cage today
https://iscoot.com.au/products/fiido-ti ... cargo-bike
750w.. .

[am50em]

E-scooters to become legal on NSW streets in push to improve safety

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/ea5545 ... 6c914c0e3a

After several lithium-ion battery fires and hundreds of reported injuries, the NSW government has released an 'Action Plan' for the safe use of e-scooters.

A blindspot in regulation means it's currently illegal to ride an e-scooter on the street, but it's still legal to buy one.

That hasn't stopped more than one million NSW residents from riding e-scooters, with 91 per cent of them agreeing the devices are a convenient way to get around.

Over 1 million NSW residents have ridden an e-scooter. (Getty)
"There are already 1.35 million e-micro mobility devices in homes across NSW ... almost 460,000 of these are e-scooters," Transport Minister Jo Haylen said.

"But only 22 per cent of people across the state know it's illegal to ride e-scooters on our roads and streets."

"It's a strange regulatory blind spot, and it has to change."

[Mr Purple]

Those numbers are just staggering.

So they've sold 460,000 of them, in a state where it's officially to use any of them outside of private property.

You would have though someone, at some level of government or enforcement would have wondered about this and though 'hey, maybe there should be some regulation at point of sale?'

But no!

[elantra]

Those numbers are just staggering.

So they've sold 460,000 of them, in a state where it's officially to use any of them outside of private property.

You would have though someone, at some level of government or enforcement would have wondered about this and though 'hey, maybe there should be some regulation at point of sale?'

But no!

So NSW has gone to the dark side

Well in some ways it’s a bit confusing - other news articles infer that the law will change, rather than has changed today.
In practical terms though it basically makes no difference- the current laws were almost never enforced in New South anyway.

So rather than put the NSW Police in a hopeless predicament of being unable to enforce the current laws, they have “solved” the “problem” -by changing the law !
Of course various problems will not be solved by this amount of alteration of the rules.
Specifically people will continue to use e-scooters on the footpath in NSW (which is not against the law in Qld but remain illegal in NSW)
And people will continue to use e-scooters at speeds in excess of the legal limit.
And some people will continue to use them without head protection etc.
And there will be “collateral damage” due to the above indiscretions. Including to innocent pedestrians - and to innocent cyclists.

As for the official reference to this legislative change having a benefit in terms of reducing congestion (mainly in Sydney and Newcastle I spose) - well I further guess that this is wishful thinking and basically just trying to justify the decision.
Because I suspect that there is not a shred of hard evidence that it will have any benefit in this regard.

[jasonc]

nsw has set the speed limit to 20km/h for escooters. we know how that goes in every other state (one was pulling away from me when i was doing 35km/h this morning)

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system ... r-2024.pdf

[uart]

So NSW has gone to the dark side
Well in some ways it’s a bit confusing - other news articles infer that the law will change, rather than has changed today.

It's a very poorly worded story, jumps all over the place, but I believe they are talking about a "plan" to change the law (at some unspecified point in the future) rather than the law being changed today.

On top of legalising riding e-scooters, the plan will also include e-scooter parking bays in Circular Quay, Central, Newtown, Wynyard, Barangaroo Metro, Sydenham, Marrickville and Bondi Junction.

[elantra]

The road environment is undergoing a transformation with the influx of e-pmd’s

Not necessarily a good one.

Was abundantly obvious near the coastal town of Kingscliff (northern NSW) this morning.

Kids in school uniforms on fat-tyred e-bikes were everywhere.
Usually going much faster than 25 km/hr.
One fella was not going much faster than 25 km/hr but he was going the wrong way up a one-way street and he had a pillion passenger (who did not have head protection)

Then out on a country road was a bloke on an e-scooter with those very tiny wheels.
On a road that is a bit rough and bumpy in places, with no shoulder and 80 km/hr speed limit.

Good luck to him, he might need it.
I will say that he didn’t cause me as much alarm as the 2 car-driving clowns not using their turn indicators at a nearby intersection.