the Crazy eDevice rider thread
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby trailgumby » Sun May 26, 2024 3:56 pm
In the evening I've noticed a new low in dysfunctional delivery e-bike rider behaviour.
Every time there's a herd of delivery e-bike riders, heads completely inserted into their phone screens, doing slow circuits of the final 50 metres of the Sydney Harbour Bridge cycleway before the stairs at the northern end. Historically I've come in there quite fast, hugging the wall, but that's just unsafe to do now, as these guys just don't look when commencing their u-turns across your path right in front of you.
When I asked one what they were doing, he said "Oh this is how we get the good orders" - I assume it's some quirk of their GPS apps they've discovered and are gaming.
Turning to the security guy who usually parks himself there, he returned my questioning look with a glum expression: "All the riders are complaining. Nothing we can do." Mentioned to one of my Saturday club ride buddies I was back to commuting and the first thing he blurted out was a vent about these toolbags without my saying anything else. He's usually pretty chilled out. Not this time.
Anyone else encountered this?
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby g-boaf » Sun May 26, 2024 6:27 pm
I have had one sail through a red light as I was starting to accelerate. I had the green to go and this idiot just goes zooming straight across the front of me from right to left. His traffic light was red. No care given. I felt like turning and giving chase to tell him off, but what good is it?
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Bunged Knee » Fri May 31, 2024 10:17 am
In Melbourne, police almost issued 300 infringements in e-scooter crackdown over 2 days.Leniency is over’: Hundreds fined in e-scooter crackdown
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... jhx6.htmll
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Fri May 31, 2024 10:26 am
can you pls post the text of the articleBunged Knee wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 10:17 amIn Melbourne, police almost issued 300 infringements in e-scooter crackdown over 2 days.
Leniency is over’: Hundreds fined in e-scooter crackdown
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... jhx6.htmll
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Cyclophiliac » Fri May 31, 2024 10:57 am
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Fri May 31, 2024 11:10 am
5? did they perform the enforcement with their eyes closed?Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 10:57 amThey really only found 5 e-scooters/e-bikes that were effectively motorbikes?
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby elantra » Fri May 31, 2024 12:11 pm
They probably did not have the time or resources to establish if the power output and cutoff was legal.jasonc wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 11:10 am5? did they perform the enforcement with their eyes closed?Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 10:57 amThey really only found 5 e-scooters/e-bikes that were effectively motorbikes?
Except perhaps in the most blatantly obvious cases.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Fri May 31, 2024 12:23 pm
In brisbane it would be easy. ride it up the closest hill. does it do more than 25? yes. fines galoreelantra wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:11 pmThey probably did not have the time or resources to establish if the power output and cutoff was legal.jasonc wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 11:10 am5? did they perform the enforcement with their eyes closed?Cyclophiliac wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 10:57 amThey really only found 5 e-scooters/e-bikes that were effectively motorbikes?
Except perhaps in the most blatantly obvious cases.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Tue Jun 04, 2024 6:40 pm
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Mr Purple » Wed Jun 05, 2024 12:42 pm
Well, no. That's the problem with our laws.
They can basically ride anything they like within the PMD definition (some limits on length and weight) and if they exceed 25km/hr are merely fined for breaking the speed limit.
Even devices capable of 110km/hr+ aren't technically illegal unless being used illegally. Which they all are, but we still tiptoe around that universal truth apparently.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Wed Jun 05, 2024 1:36 pm
the amount of fines would depend on the results of the attitude testMr Purple wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 12:42 pmWell, no. That's the problem with our laws.
They can basically ride anything they like within the PMD definition (some limits on length and weight) and if they exceed 25km/hr are merely fined for breaking the speed limit.
Even devices capable of 110km/hr+ aren't technically illegal unless being used illegally. Which they all are, but we still tiptoe around that universal truth apparently.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Mububban » Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:51 am
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Andy01 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:08 am
I had one coming straight at me, fully on the wrong side (my side) of the road, turned facing behind him talking to his mate. I yelled out and as he swerved past me he also screamed like a little girl - no idea what's up with that
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Mr Purple » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:56 am
I was doing 37km/hr and he passed me like I was standing still. I had a little word to that guy...
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Anrai » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:59 am
I don't suppose anyone here knows what the payment model is for Beam/Neuron? The only thing that makes sense to me is if the battery runs dry or the rider runs out of credit.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Retrobyte » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:04 am
You can buy a pass that covers a specific period of days, but I think even with that there is a daily time limit. Last time I was in Adelaide I bought a weekly pass, and that came with a 90 minute limit per day. I don't know what happens at the end of that 90 minutes though?
Otherwise it's just a flat rate for every minute.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:29 am
followed one in this morning doing the same speed. rode from western fwy bikeway onto the foot path (speed limit for PMDs is 12), onto sylvan rd, left into land st (speed limit is 60, so PMDs are to use the footpath and do 12). reminded him of the rule when stopped at patrick lane. there was no care. as he then rode onto the shared path at ~37km/h, and onto bicentennial bikeway
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby piledhigher2 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:28 pm
On a travelator inside a shopping centre.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby jasonc » Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:40 pm
ok. that's a new one. i would approach centre securitypiledhigher2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:28 pmI was close shaved by an e-scooter today.
On a travelator inside a shopping centre.
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby CmdrBiggles » Fri Jun 07, 2024 3:03 pm
Seats are uncommon fitments to hire e-scooters, but very common for private devices. As retailers will state, the seat must be designed for that particular e-scooter (by the manufacturer), not an aftermarket. Beneath the top plate are the controllers, battery, wiring etc that need to be traced before removing, drilling or fitting anything to the top plate.
Lots of e-scooters around Singapore (which requires all of them to be registered with identification plates) where I have been attending a work / roadmap conference these last two weeks; they are most definitely not permitted to be ridden on the road network — only marked cycling paths. Woe betide you if you are nabbed riding on a footpath over there: SD$2,000 or jail time applies, no ifs and no buts. I like the way they do things there (other than the weather... ).
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby elantra » Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:12 pm
I’m not sure how “connected” is the cycling path infrastructure in Singapore…..CmdrBiggles wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 3:03 pm
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Lots of e-scooters around Singapore (which requires all of them to be registered with identification plates) where I have been attending a work / roadmap conference these last two weeks; they are most definitely not permitted to be ridden on the road network — only marked cycling paths. Woe betide you if you are nabbed riding on a footpath over there: SD$2,000 or jail time applies, no ifs and no buts. I like the way they do things there (other than the weather... ).
but in Queensland the official position of the Transport and Main Roads department is that e-scooters and e-bikes must be allowed to use the footpaths because “footpaths are a vital connection between sections of dedicated bike infrastructure”…
with a “12 km/hr speed limit on footpaths to recognise the importance of riding slowly and safely around pedestrians”
Yeah they’re dreamin…
In what parallel universe do they think that users can be relied upon to invariably and drastically reduce speed every time that they move from road or cycle path onto footpath ?
There has been a heightened road police presence in NSW this weekend (long weekend)
Didn’t seem to coincide with improved adherence to road rules for motorists and e-users though.
One of the more sterling efforts was a child on an illegal (not speed limited) e-bike.
Exceeding whatever speed limit applies on both the road and footpath.
No helmet either but at the speed he was doing it wouldn’t be terribly effective
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread
Postby Anrai » Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:05 pm
Another three rides, another rental scooter across the cycleway, like clockwork.
This one made a little more sense as it was at an exit to a pedestrian path, but it was also almost completely perpendicular across the inbound lane. I expect I'll see more of these as the local bus network continues to crumble.
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