Giro d’Italia 2024

[MichaelB]

Starts soon. Can’t wait !!!

Stage 15, 16 & 17 look like a cracker of a trio !!!

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/pro ... t-included

[MichaelB]

Coverage from around 9pm AEST will be on SBS

https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/ho ... /dmfez2o0s

[foo on patrol]

An interesting finish with Narvaez and Schacmann coming over Pog in the sprint. I do feel that Pog went to long after that bif effort on the last half of the climb and he had burnt to many matches.

Foo

[stevenaaus]

Glad to see an exciting finish. Tadej is going to clean up big time of course, but today's effort didn't really pay off.

[find_bruce]

You may not be able to win in the first week of a grand tour, but you can certainly put all your rivals on the defensive

[foo on patrol]

^^^^^^Yep!^^^^^^

Foo

[MichaelB]

He's got a great start so far !

[foo on patrol]

If you want too understand why Pog is so good, just study his pedalling action and watch his upper body movement and you will have some idea of why he is so good.

Foo

[warthog1]

Really enjoying Gracie Elvin on the commentary team. She is good.
Dave McKenzie is a nice fella. He did a club ride with us when I lived in Mildura. Bloody freezing morning for the poor basvtard but he still fronted.

[MichaelB]

Have missed the last couple of nights coverage, but will catch up on the highlights soon.

[Derny Driver 2]

If you want too understand why Pog is so good, just study his pedalling action and watch his upper body movement and you will have some idea of why he is so good.

Foo

Exactly. Upper body and arms perfectly relaxed and still ...hips stable, nothing moving or rocking ....just the legs going up and down at a nice cadence.
I saw an online cycling blogger calling Pog a "toe pedaller" as if it was a bad thing. Wouldnt know an efficient pedaller if he saw one.

[foo on patrol]

If you want too understand why Pog is so good, just study his pedalling action and watch his upper body movement and you will have some idea of why he is so good.

Foo

Exactly. Upper body and arms perfectly relaxed and still ...hips stable, nothing moving or rocking ....just the legs going up and down at a nice cadence.
I saw an online cycling blogger calling Pog a "toe pedaller" as if it was a bad thing. Wouldnt know an efficient pedaller if he saw one.

Most wouldn't know what day it is let alone what an efficient pedaller looks like.

Foo

[warthog1]

I rate his ability to smack down watts for his size/weight as most important.
Gerraint is also a very efficient pedaller as are multiple others at that level.
The Pog has gone to 165mm cranks also which probably contributes to the way he looks on the bike. He needs to spin faster to develop that power.

[Derny Driver 2]

I rate his ability to smack down watts for his size/weight as most important.
Gerraint is also a very efficient pedaller as are multiple others at that level.
The Pog has gone to 165mm cranks also which probably contributes to the way he looks on the bike. He needs to spin faster to develop that power.

The other night the TV showed the cadence of the 4 in the break. They were all 90-92 rpm which is exactly what I would have expected.
So for a rough guide / generalisation :
Time Trial / hard solo efforts in a big gear, cadence low 80s
Solid tempo riding in a race situation @90
Easy riding / training @100

[warthog1]

I rate his ability to smack down watts for his size/weight as most important.
Gerraint is also a very efficient pedaller as are multiple others at that level.
The Pog has gone to 165mm cranks also which probably contributes to the way he looks on the bike. He needs to spin faster to develop that power.

The other night the TV showed the cadence of the 4 in the break. They were all 90-92 rpm which is exactly what I would have expected.
So for a rough guide / generalisation :
Time Trial / hard solo efforts in a big gear, cadence low 80s
Solid tempo riding in a race situation @90
Easy riding / training @100

Sure, however to develop the same power with a shorter crank your cadence will be slightly faster.
I tted at ~95 on 177.5 cranks with my inseam of 88cm. We are all a bit different. Pushing a bigger gear at lower cadence was slower for me as distance got greater.

The Pog does look to be spinning a bit faster than he did to me. He has dropped from 172.5 a few years back to 165 now.

[foo on patrol]

Another reason he is so good on hard stages is the way he controls his breathing = he doesn't look like a steam train with his mouth like the Grand Cannyon and his chest heaving like a set of bellows in a foundry. It's long deep breaths and controlled exhails. This is something that I try and get through to riders that are struggling, control your breathing and your heart rate will also drop and after a little while you'll start to benifit from controlling it.

Foo

[foo on patrol]

I rate his ability to smack down watts for his size/weight as most important.
Gerraint is also a very efficient pedaller as are multiple others at that level.
The Pog has gone to 165mm cranks also which probably contributes to the way he looks on the bike. He needs to spin faster to develop that power.

The other night the TV showed the cadence of the 4 in the break. They were all 90-92 rpm which is exactly what I would have expected.
So for a rough guide / generalisation :
Time Trial / hard solo efforts in a big gear, cadence low 80s
Solid tempo riding in a race situation @90
Easy riding / training @100

Sure, however to develop the same power with a shorter crank your cadence will be slightly faster.
I tted at ~95 on 177.5 cranks with my inseam of 88cm. We are all a bit different. Pushing a bigger gear at lower cadence was slower for me as distance got greater.

The Pog does look to be spinning a bit faster than he did to me. He has dropped from 172.5 a few years back to 165 now.

The exact quote is.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

Foo

[warthog1]

The other night the TV showed the cadence of the 4 in the break. They were all 90-92 rpm which is exactly what I would have expected.
So for a rough guide / generalisation :
Time Trial / hard solo efforts in a big gear, cadence low 80s
Solid tempo riding in a race situation @90
Easy riding / training @100

Sure, however to develop the same power with a shorter crank your cadence will be slightly faster.
I tted at ~95 on 177.5 cranks with my inseam of 88cm. We are all a bit different. Pushing a bigger gear at lower cadence was slower for me as distance got greater.

The Pog does look to be spinning a bit faster than he did to me. He has dropped from 172.5 a few years back to 165 now.

The exact quote is.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

Foo

Or there is this one;

A 55-tooth carbon chainring and 165mm cranks – Tadej Pogačar's 2024 marginal gains


This year Pogačar also switched from 170mm to 165mm cranks for Strade Bianche, which he won with a 80km solo attack, to apparently help improve his cadence, the load on his leg muscles and aerodynamics.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-55-c ... nal-gains/

[foo on patrol]

Sure, however to develop the same power with a shorter crank your cadence will be slightly faster.
I tted at ~95 on 177.5 cranks with my inseam of 88cm. We are all a bit different. Pushing a bigger gear at lower cadence was slower for me as distance got greater.

The Pog does look to be spinning a bit faster than he did to me. He has dropped from 172.5 a few years back to 165 now.

The exact quote is.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

Foo

Or there is this one;

A 55-tooth carbon chainring and 165mm cranks – Tadej Pogačar's 2024 marginal gains


This year Pogačar also switched from 170mm to 165mm cranks for Strade Bianche, which he won with a 80km solo attack, to apparently help improve his cadence, the load on his leg muscles and aerodynamics.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-55-c ... nal-gains/

Yeah it's a bit like he said she said.

Foo

[warthog1]

The exact quote is.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

Foo

Or there is this one;

A 55-tooth carbon chainring and 165mm cranks – Tadej Pogačar's 2024 marginal gains


This year Pogačar also switched from 170mm to 165mm cranks for Strade Bianche, which he won with a 80km solo attack, to apparently help improve his cadence, the load on his leg muscles and aerodynamics.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-55-c ... nal-gains/

Yeah it's a bit like he said she said.

Foo

Yep he won on 165 at the strada bianchi and they are saying he is on them for the giro
Interested to see if it is confirmed later and how he climbs with them.
Not a fan of short cranks personally but I am a never was. I have tried 172.5, 175 and 177.5 on the tt bike. 177 were fastest for me.
Climbers have tended to longer cranks previously

[vosadrian]

I'm no pro, but I use 165 cranks (for over 5 years now) and found that I pedal much smoother and have found no negatives in power. All the PRs I go for were achieved on the shorter cranks (previous 172.5) including my peak power in a sprint. Also, my knees and hips get less pain. When I ride a bike with long cranks now I feel off and feel like I lose all the smoothness.

I also have a recumbent bike and use 155 cranks on that. Thinking about trying 145.

I am sure the Pog has extreme talent in his pedal cycle on any crank length, but I think most people would find 165s were smoother than 172.5 for them.

[foo on patrol]

Or there is this one;

A 55-tooth carbon chainring and 165mm cranks – Tadej Pogačar's 2024 marginal gains


This year Pogačar also switched from 170mm to 165mm cranks for Strade Bianche, which he won with a 80km solo attack, to apparently help improve his cadence, the load on his leg muscles and aerodynamics.

Bicisport suggest that Pogačar had already swapped from 172.5mm to 170mm cranks in 2023 and opted for a further reduction in crank length after changing to 165mm cranks on his time trial bike.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-55-c ... nal-gains/

Yeah it's a bit like he said she said.

Foo

Yep he won on 165 at the strada bianchi and they are saying he is on them for the giro
Interested to see if it is confirmed later and how he climbs with them.
Not a fan of short cranks personally but I am a never was. I have tried 172.5, 175 and 177.5 on the tt bike. 177 were fastest for me.
Climbers have tended to longer cranks previously

I use 170's on the Track and 175's on the Road. I tried 165's on the Track for about 2mths and just hated them and took them off for 170's and was much happier.

I had the same problem on the Road when I got my Foil. It had normal chainrings and I tried for a couple of months to get used to them but I plissed them off and put a set of Rotor Q's on and instantly felt better with my pedalling. They just work for me with my lower back issues and how my hips are.

Foo

[warthog1]

I use 170's on the Track and 175's on the Road. I tried 165's on the Track for about 2mths and just hated them and took them off for 170's and was much happier.

I had the same problem on the Road when I got my Foil. It had normal chainrings and I tried for a couple of months to get used to them but I plissed them off and put a set of Rotor Q's on and instantly felt better with my pedalling. They just work for me with my lower back issues and how my hips are.

Foo

I am still riding 175s too. Ever slower but they still work for me.

[foo on patrol]

I use 170's on the Track and 175's on the Road. I tried 165's on the Track for about 2mths and just hated them and took them off for 170's and was much happier.

I had the same problem on the Road when I got my Foil. It had normal chainrings and I tried for a couple of months to get used to them but I plissed them off and put a set of Rotor Q's on and instantly felt better with my pedalling. They just work for me with my lower back issues and how my hips are.

Foo

I am still riding 175s too. Ever slower but they still work for me.

I couldn't get going on the 165's and felt uncomfortable. For me, short legs = 165 and long = 175 on the Road with 170 on the Track.

Foo

[foo on patrol]

A good strong ride by Luke Plapp.

Foo