You need to open your eyes and maybe your mind to the possibility that you aren’t the only one who thinks they know the way forward Bob. I’ve come here with open arms, collegiate intentions and a damn good example of the thing most anti MHL advocates cite as a loss…the utility get about rider to the local shops….seeing a resurgence.BobtheBuilder wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:34 pmFat and old, this is the kind of endless nitpicking that stops us talking about a way forward.fat and old wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:30 amOn the topic of MHL's being responsible for the demise of the various Cycle share schemes here in Victoria. It has been claimed and some evidence put forward (in the form of international comparisons generally) that the initial RACV scheme in particular failed due to the MHL.
I've asked before, and hope for a rational discussion. Why has it not affected the scoot schemes? They are going forward in leaps and bounds. I've seen everything from bogans to delivery riders to suits and skirts on them. Wearing a helmet (or not, as the case may be) isn't stopping them.
What can the pro-helmetless cohort learn here?
It beggars belief, given you have stated, for years, you are anti-MHL, that you keep creating these arguments about side issues rather than adding something positive to the debate.
Yes. A resumption of the short trip rider who just nicks down the shops for some bread. Or uses the scoot for the last section of the commute. So they don’t use a bicycle? So what? That’s no reason to not learn from the experience.
Isn’t the whole point of doing away with MHLs to increase cycling participation? It has nothing to do with getting even with other sections of society for not having to wear helmets.
MHLS need to be removed in order to increase cycling participation. The scooter experience gives us some hints at how to get society on board with this. Seriously, I don’t want to argue with you on this and I won’t. If you don’t see that fair enough I’ll leave it here.
And while I’m at it. Electric cycles. More likely to entrench society’s acceptance of MHLs or question them? With thought and consideration of the escoot experience I suggest there is an opportunity to question them. It all comes down to the environment in which they’re used.
Think outside the box Bob. Why are scoots so popular? Why do so many use them not only in spite of having to wear a helmet but in many cases not wearing one and not being considered a fool? My son sent me pics of he and his mates zipping around Parliament House in Canberra on them, no helmets on and no issues from anyone. You really think this is nit picking at a side issue? It’s a way forward!!!!