New road bike. What's your desire ?

[hamishm]

So what bike are you building @MichaelB? I may be close to ordering one of the bikes in your list earlier on the thread...

[warthog1]

So what bike are you building @MichaelB? I may be close to ordering one of the bikes in your list earlier on the thread...

https://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/view ... 9&t=103834

[MichaelB]

So what bike are you building @MichaelB? I may be close to ordering one of the bikes in your list earlier on the thread...

https://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/view ... 9&t=103834

Beat me to it !!

What are you considering hamishm ?

[hamishm]

What are you considering hamishm ?

The Mason Resolution. I love the look and they've been really good on email.

Congrats on the Llewellyn, I've drooled over their website plenty of times too..

[MichaelB]

What are you considering hamishm ?

The Mason Resolution. I love the look and they've been really good on email.

Congrats on the Llewellyn, I've drooled over their website plenty of times too..

Reckon that’ll be great. Another BNA’er has built the Ti Bokeh

[MichaelB]

Now, if this was my size, and I hadn't put the deposit down for the Llewellyn, this would have been a front runner !!

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... 3#p1611143





Don't like much of the Attaquer gear, but love that colour scheme !!

[g-boaf]

Now, if this was my size, and I hadn't put the deposit down for the Llewellyn, this would have been a front runner !!

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... 3#p1611143





Don't like much of the Attaquer gear, but love that colour scheme !!

Attaquer can be okay if you choose the right kit (certain Attaquer stuff isn't good). However, that bike is nice. It's been on their website for quite a long time. But the price is pretty hefty.

I looked at that one for a while on the Factor website. When I saw the Cervelo S5 at $11K with SRAM Red E-Tap the decision was settled. I guess the Factor will be faster uphill but slower elsewhere.

Also interesting, compared with the Canyon Aeroad CF SLX I’ve also ridden, the Cervelo S5 is much quicker. Even though they are both aero bikes, the Canyon is not nearly as quick though understandable because it is older.

[MichaelB]

I looked at that one for a while on the Factor website. When I saw the Cervelo S5 at $11K with SRAM Red E-Tap the decision was settled. I guess the Factor will be faster uphill but slower elsewhere.

I'm just slow everywhere !!

BiL just got his Aeroad Endrance w Di2 Ultegra. Looks nice, but curious that the Di2 still has the JB under the bars. Kinda defeats the purpose of aero cockpit.

But he's happy.

[g-boaf]

I looked at that one for a while on the Factor website. When I saw the Cervelo S5 at $11K with SRAM Red E-Tap the decision was settled. I guess the Factor will be faster uphill but slower elsewhere.

I'm just slow everywhere !!

BiL just got his Aeroad Endrance w Di2 Ultegra. Looks nice, but curious that the Di2 still has the JB under the bars. Kinda defeats the purpose of aero cockpit.

But he's happy.

Yeah it's an old bike that one from before the time of the Canyon Ultimate in the current generation. A new Aeroad is supposed to be arriving soon, I don't know what it will do for those Di2 integrations. For some years already we've seen bikes with neat integrations for the Di2 junction box. On my P5 Cervelo I can hide it inside the aerobar setup if I want. That's great until you want to charge the battery again (then you take it out again).

The Aeroad I was riding was a mechanical 11 speed Ultegra 8000 (52-36 with 11-28) with rim brakes and Mavic carbon wheels on Mavic's own tubeless tyre. It was still a decent bike aside from the horrible Fizik Antares saddle. But it was no faster downhill or on the flat than my Ultimate CF Evo or even the Giant TCR Advanced SL1 (ISP) I was riding back at the same time.

[warthog1]

It was still a decent bike aside from the horrible Fizik Antares saddle..

Well they are a very personal thing it is true.
Just put one on my tcr. Fantastic.

Your bottom has serious problems it appears.

[WITHND]

Just put a deposit on a Cervelo Caledonia with Ultegra Di2 and Disc brakes for my first ever +1 bike

[Warnesy]

Nice looking bike, enjoy!

[g-boaf]

It was still a decent bike aside from the horrible Fizik Antares saddle..

Well they are a very personal thing it is true.
Just put one on my tcr. Fantastic.

Your bottom has serious problems it appears.

Two days with that was agony! I should have told them to take the saddle from my bike but I just didn’t think of it.

I’ll excuse it on jet lag and panic of broken handlebars. Always the risk of flying with bikes. Now I’m much better prepared.

One thing cool with that Canyon, even the saddle had Mavic yellow details. And the bike did look pretty cool as well. I’m lucky to have ridden it, last year they had the cheaper Aeroad CF SL which also had much cheaper wheels, not nearly as nice.

Hopefully I’ll get to see them next year. Whatever people think of the Mavic products, their neutral support staff/mechanics are great.

[g-boaf]

Just put a deposit on a Cervelo Caledonia with Ultegra Di2 and Disc brakes for my first ever +1 bike

Very very nice!

I can report a bit on my new S5D - that is quickly becoming a favourite bike. It corners so well, it is very fast everywhere except going uphill where it is a lot heavier. And disc brakes are just the best thing, damn the stopping power is enormous.

It is a lot of fun to ride.

I will still wonder what the Factor bikes are like, but if they are better than the S5, they must be really awesome.

[g-boaf]

2021 Canyon Aeroad is in Zwift, so it must be close to release.

Also 2021 version of Canyon Ultimate CF SLX (and other lower versions) are on the Canyon website.

[elantra]

CyclingTips should also offer an alternative to the podcast for people who don't want to listen to the podcast.

They have tons of written material, news and reviews and opinion, and the podcasts complement that nicely. I don’t listen to all of them, nor all of every episode, but it’s good for passing the time on the trainer.

The main podcast is weekly, plus there’s the fortnightly tech podcast and a fortnightly podcast in women’s racing. Also the regular “from the top” interview series (haven’t listened to these myself). The news podcast has been discontinued, the daily news is now written only.

I have become a big fan of the CyclingTips podcasts. The "Nerd alert" ones are usually very interesting.
Listening to their podcasts makes activities such as taking the dog for a walk very relaxing
Much better than trying to look at the smartphone while walking dog (or driving car!)

Much lower risk of walking into parked cars or stepping in dog poop.

[MichaelB]

And Spesh has now conceded that it can't get any more aero, so come up with the lightweight, non-aero Aethos

Only A$18,500 as DA Di2 and 6.1kg.



Of course, it has proprietary stuff on it, front disc mount, to save 12g

So, what's the bet, that as they couldn't milk the aero marketing of the Venge/SL7 any more, they then start 'aero-ing' the Aethos so they can make claims of huge aero gains .....

$18,500

[g-boaf]

And Spesh has now conceded that it can't get any more aero, so come up with the lightweight, non-aero Aethos

Only A$18,500 as DA Di2 and 6.1kg.



Of course, it has proprietary stuff on it, front disc mount, to save 12g

So, what's the bet, that as they couldn't milk the aero marketing of the Venge/SL7 any more, they then start 'aero-ing' the Aethos so they can make claims of huge aero gains .....

$18,500

Only 300g heavier than the Canyon Ultimate CF Evo Disc (5.8kg from last year). Sad for them.

It looks okay, nothing radical aside from the weight. It's expensive - but that's the price of pushing things to extreme light weight.

The 2021 Canyon Aeroad CFR is the one that changes things up more than expected:

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... /2452.html

[warthog1]

It's far too expensive full stop. $18.5k, for a bicycle is ridiculous.
That is the price of a small car.

[g-boaf]

It's far too expensive full stop. $18.5k, for a bicycle is ridiculous.
That is the price of a small car.

Could you build a bike with same component types and same weight for less? Getting down to that level of weight is expensive.

People spend $3.5K just on wheels for a bike and $3K for a groupset. And $1K-2K on a power meter. It adds up quickly.

Looking at the Canyon I already have, it can be brought down to 5.8kg with a few different components (brakes and cranks) but the cost of those is enormous, they are low production carbon fibre items. The frameset was a reasonable price for what it is, but eeking out those last bits of weight savings, that's where the cost comes in. Then it's also not just chopping the weight, but doing it with components that are dependable for everyday use. There are some components I look at that I think, no, I wouldn't use those all the time.

[MichaelB]

Only 300g heavier than the Canyon Ultimate CF Evo Disc (5.8kg from last year). Sad for them.

It looks okay, nothing radical aside from the weight. It's expensive - but that's the price of pushing things to extreme light weight.

The 2021 Canyon Aeroad CFR is the one that changes things up more than expected:

Yep, AUD pricing.

Agree that it doesn't seem to be anything special for the price - either weight, spec, looks or 'new ideas'.

But there will be fanboys that will be lining up ....

Oh, the framesets are only A$8k ..... There is one nice colour though ...

[warthog1]

It's far too expensive full stop. $18.5k, for a bicycle is ridiculous.
That is the price of a small car.

Could you build a bike with same component types and same weight for less? Getting down to that level of weight is expensive.

People spend $3.5K just on wheels for a bike and $3K for a groupset. And $1K-2K on a power meter. It adds up quickly.

Looking at the Canyon I already have, it can be brought down to 5.8kg with a few different components (brakes and cranks) but the cost of those is enormous, they are low production carbon fibre items. The frameset was a reasonable price for what it is, but eeking out those last bits of weight savings, that's where the cost comes in. Then it's also not just chopping the weight, but doing it with components that are dependable for everyday use. There are some components I look at that I think, no, I wouldn't use those all the time.

I am simply making an observation on the price.
A car has a far higher level of engineering development and manufacturing infrastructure required.
Economy of scale, yes the bicycle is far lower quantity, but it just doesn't add up despite that.

People will no doubt buy it nonetheless.

Were I to attempt to build a light bicycle I would not use disc brakes for a start.
Flushing away a heap of money to save a kg of weight makes little sense to me.

[g-boaf]

It's far too expensive full stop. $18.5k, for a bicycle is ridiculous.
That is the price of a small car.

Could you build a bike with same component types and same weight for less? Getting down to that level of weight is expensive.

People spend $3.5K just on wheels for a bike and $3K for a groupset. And $1K-2K on a power meter. It adds up quickly.

Looking at the Canyon I already have, it can be brought down to 5.8kg with a few different components (brakes and cranks) but the cost of those is enormous, they are low production carbon fibre items. The frameset was a reasonable price for what it is, but eeking out those last bits of weight savings, that's where the cost comes in. Then it's also not just chopping the weight, but doing it with components that are dependable for everyday use. There are some components I look at that I think, no, I wouldn't use those all the time.

I am simply making an observation on the price.
A car has a far higher level of engineering development and manufacturing infrastructure required.
Economy of scale, yes the bicycle is far lower quantity, but it just doesn't add up despite that.

People will no doubt buy it nonetheless.

Were I to attempt to build a light bicycle I would not use disc brakes for a start.
Flushing away a heap of money to save a kg of weight makes little sense to me.

You have to compare like with like, a car that is equally built to the extreme limits of what is possible will be expensive as well. Even look at the old days of things like Porsche 909, a ultra-light hill-climbing race-car, it was absurdly expensive to achieve its 385kg weight. It's the same thing. Push the limits, the cost goes up.

[warthog1]

You have to compare like with like, a car that is equally built to the extreme limits of what is possible will be expensive as well. Even look at the old days of things like Porsche 909, a ultra-light hill-climbing race-car, it was absurdly expensive to achieve its 385kg weight. It's the same thing. Push the limits, the cost goes up.

I am sure some do use that analogy.
Regardless, there will be massive profit in that bicycle at that price.
If money were no object I could possibly disregard that factor.

[elantra]

Only 300g heavier than the Canyon Ultimate CF Evo Disc (5.8kg from last year). Sad for them.

It looks okay, nothing radical aside from the weight. It's expensive - but that's the price of pushing things to extreme light weight.

The 2021 Canyon Aeroad CFR is the one that changes things up more than expected:

Yep, AUD pricing.

Agree that it doesn't seem to be anything special for the price - either weight, spec, looks or 'new ideas'.

But there will be fanboys that will be lining up ....

Oh, the framesets are only A$8k ..... There is one nice colour though ...

Innovation is a fascinating thing - will be most interesting to see if it is a commercial success. Presumably, Spec will use the leverage of their reputation for quality and success to increase its market.
Will also be interesting to see how it holds its monetary value as a used item.
And also it’s robustness against crash damage or the inevitable wear and tear of use, storage and transport.
Dare I say- it looks a bit like a nice carbon frame from the mid 2000’s, but with Disc brakes. Just a hint of “retro”
Maybe one day soon there will be a fractionally heavier variant of this frame that looks almost the same, for half the money. Like what the big Shimano does with its various models of groupsets.
Certainly innovative