Replacement for GP4000s?

[943]

Hi All

I’ve had GP4000s II on the bike and they have been great. But, they’re starting to square off and are getting pretty cut up and just about due to be replaced.

I’ve read mixed reviews about the GP5000 replacements.

Anyone gone from the 4000 to 5000s and can offer any opinions on whether I get the 5’s or change to a different tyre?

[warthog1]

Got a couple on the way.
They did roll well the 4000S2

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... -5000-2018

[AndrewCowley]

From what I’ve read, the GP5000’s are a relatively minor evolution of the GP4000’s. If you liked the GP4000’s you’ll probably also like the GP5000’s.

[trailgumby]

Hi All

I’ve had GP4000 IIs in the bike and they have been great. But, they’re starting to square off and are getting pretty cut up and just about due to be replaced.

I’ve read mixed reviews about the GP5000 replacements.

Anyone gone from the 4000 to 5000s and can offer any opinions on whether I get the 5’s or change to a different tyre?

I've got the GP5000s, previously ran GP4000sII's and was starting to get fed up with their sidewall fragility sine production was shifted to Asia. Rolling resistance seems as good. Grip is comparable if not better, they wear better and don't cut up as much. Sidewalls are good.

I'm not going to tempt the puncture fairy by making any comments whatsoever on case intrusions.

[robbo mcs]

I love the 5000's. Easy to fit. Roll very quickly. Good grip. Light. Wear reasonably well.

I have now done a combined 10k on 2x bikes. Had one puncture, which in retrospect was on a rear that I had let wear a little too low

[RobertL]

I used to use 4000s and now have the 5000s. I don't honestly notice much difference and I like them both.

In between, though, I had a set of Hutchinson Fusions that came as a deal with a new wheelset. They were good too, so they would be an alternative for me.

[MichaelB]

I personally use the Conti GrandPrix (not the 4000 or 5000) and they have been brilliant, and quite a bit cheaper

[943]

Got a couple on the way.
They did roll well the 4000S2

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... -5000-2018

Can I ask where yours are coming from - save from from doing the research!

What width are you getting? I’ve always used 23 but think I might go up to 25. Don’t think my frame will take a 28 - I’ll have to go and measure it.

[Derny Driver]

Got a couple on the way.
They did roll well the 4000S2

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... -5000-2018

Can I ask where yours are coming from - save from from doing the research!

What width are you getting? I’ve always used 23 but think I might go up to 25. Don’t think my frame will take a 28 - I’ll have to go and measure it.

Have a look at Pirelli P-Zero in 25 while you are at it. Excellent tyres. Similar to the Conti, but better lol

[warthog1]

Got a couple on the way.
They did roll well the 4000S2

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... -5000-2018

Can I ask where yours are coming from - save from from doing the research!

What width are you getting? I’ve always used 23 but think I might go up to 25. Don’t think my frame will take a 28 - I’ll have to go and measure it.

Wiggle.
25 and 28 for my giant tcr. Will fit easily.

[warthog1]

Got a couple on the way.
They did roll well the 4000S2

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... -5000-2018

Can I ask where yours are coming from - save from from doing the research!

What width are you getting? I’ve always used 23 but think I might go up to 25. Don’t think my frame will take a 28 - I’ll have to go and measure it.

Have a look at Pirelli P-Zero in 25 while you are at it. Excellent tyres. Similar to the Conti, but better lol

They don't roll quite as well but have better puncture resistance apparently.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ke-reviews
What is it you like about them?
Happy to give them a go.

[Derny Driver]

They don't roll quite as well but have better puncture resistance apparently.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ke-reviews
What is it you like about them?
Happy to give them a go.

Mate I think rolling resistance tests are a crock of .... hmmm I guess they have their place but RR is never on my list of things I want in a tyre. Neither is puncture protection.
I always only have ONE criteria and its grip. Grip = soft tyres. Soft tyres wear out and need replacing often. So be it. Im happy to replace them. My son did one ride on a brand new pair of Ultremo ZXs (way down the RR list) and I had to throw the rear away when he got home. It was trashed. But it most certainly saved him from a trip to hospital when a car backed out of a driveway as he was halfway down Mt Kembla doing about 80kph. Cost me $80 but I was happy to throw the tyre.
So I find the Pirellis to be quite pliable and grippy and thats what I like about them.
Only takes one wet corner on a descent or a slippery painted line or something ...
thats how I think anyway.

[warthog1]

Mate I think rolling resistance tests are a crock of .... hmmm I guess they have their place but RR is never on my list of things I want in a tyre. Neither is puncture protection.
I always only have ONE criteria and its grip. Grip = soft tyres. Soft tyres wear out and need replacing often. So be it. Im happy to replace them. My son did one ride on a brand new pair of Ultremo ZXs (way down the RR list) and I had to throw the rear away when he got home. It was trashed. But it most certainly saved him from a trip to hospital when a car backed out of a driveway as he was halfway down Mt Kembla doing about 80kph. Cost me $80 but I was happy to throw the tyre.
So I find the Pirellis to be quite pliable and grippy and thats what I like about them.
Only takes one wet corner on a descent or a slippery painted line or something ...
thats how I think anyway.

I need all the help I can get.
There are some guns in the bunches here and I am not one.
I'll give them a go, thanks

[g-boaf]

They don't roll quite as well but have better puncture resistance apparently.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ke-reviews
What is it you like about them?
Happy to give them a go.

Mate I think rolling resistance tests are a crock of .... hmmm I guess they have their place but RR is never on my list of things I want in a tyre. Neither is puncture protection.
I always only have ONE criteria and its grip. Grip = soft tyres. Soft tyres wear out and need replacing often. So be it. Im happy to replace them. My son did one ride on a brand new pair of Ultremo ZXs (way down the RR list) and I had to throw the rear away when he got home. It was trashed. But it most certainly saved him from a trip to hospital when a car backed out of a driveway as he was halfway down Mt Kembla doing about 80kph. Cost me $80 but I was happy to throw the tyre.
So I find the Pirellis to be quite pliable and grippy and thats what I like about them.
Only takes one wet corner on a descent or a slippery painted line or something ...
thats how I think anyway.

I have some Pirellis here - two lots, the "4S" and the normal one. Do you have any thoughts on the 4S? The 4S I picked up by mistake.

Currently using S-Works Turbo tyres at the moment - either the 24C or the 26C, I love the grip they have. I've done huge kilometres on numerous sets of those over time, it is true you've got to be watchful of glass and other sharp debris, but they are pretty dependable for grip.

As for the GP4000S replacement, I hate the GP5000. It is an awful tyre. When someone else here mentioned they found it locks up easily, I was rather shocked - I noticed the same tendency as well. It's not great when you are doing 75km/h+ down some huge mountain descent with a crappy road surface - and that speed is without even trying. I'll never touch those tyres ever again.

[warthog1]

As for the GP4000S replacement, I hate the GP5000. It is an awful tyre. When someone else here mentioned they found it locks up easily, I was rather shocked - I noticed the same tendency as well. It's not great when you are doing 75km/h+ down some huge mountain descent with a crappy road surface - and that speed is without even trying. I'll never touch those tyres ever again.

Haven't heard that feedback at all.
Seem very popular here.
There are national level riders using them but hey I've seen them ride all sorts of tyre

[g-boaf]

As for the GP4000S replacement, I hate the GP5000. It is an awful tyre. When someone else here mentioned they found it locks up easily, I was rather shocked - I noticed the same tendency as well. It's not great when you are doing 75km/h+ down some huge mountain descent with a crappy road surface - and that speed is without even trying. I'll never touch those tyres ever again.

Haven't heard that feedback at all.
Seem very popular here.
There are national level riders using them but hey I've seen them ride all sorts of tyre

I found the post: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=99662&p=1497381#p1497186

I never remember the GP4000S or the II version of it being like that and I used to use those tyres a lot. Whatever changed on the GP5000, it wasn't for the better. I see a number of pro riders around here on S-Works Turbo as well. I'm tempted to put the Pirelli tyres on when the current set wear out.

[warthog1]

I found the post: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=99662&p=1497381#p1497186

I never remember the GP4000S or the II version of it being like that and I used to use those tyres a lot. Whatever changed on the GP5000, it wasn't for the better.

He was running the tubeless version if that makes any difference.
I haven't really had an issue with any tyre's grip that has really put me off.
I'll see how they go.

I did find the 4000S2 used to develop cracks in the rubber with age. Hopefully they don't do that.

[943]

They don't roll quite as well but have better puncture resistance apparently.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ke-reviews
What is it you like about them?
Happy to give them a go.

Mate I think rolling resistance tests are a crock of .... hmmm I guess they have their place but RR is never on my list of things I want in a tyre. Neither is puncture protection.
I always only have ONE criteria and its grip. Grip = soft tyres. Soft tyres wear out and need replacing often. So be it. Im happy to replace them. My son did one ride on a brand new pair of Ultremo ZXs (way down the RR list) and I had to throw the rear away when he got home. It was trashed. But it most certainly saved him from a trip to hospital when a car backed out of a driveway as he was halfway down Mt Kembla doing about 80kph. Cost me $80 but I was happy to throw the tyre.
So I find the Pirellis to be quite pliable and grippy and thats what I like about them.
Only takes one wet corner on a descent or a slippery painted line or something ...
thats how I think anyway.

I have some Pirellis here - two lots, the "4S" and the normal one. Do you have any thoughts on the 4S? The 4S I picked up by mistake.

Currently using S-Works Turbo tyres at the moment - either the 24C or the 26C, I love the grip they have. I've done huge kilometres on numerous sets of those over time, it is true you've got to be watchful of glass and other sharp debris, but they are pretty dependable for grip.

As for the GP4000S replacement, I hate the GP5000. It is an awful tyre. When someone else here mentioned they found it locks up easily, I was rather shocked - I noticed the same tendency as well. It's not great when you are doing 75km/h+ down some huge mountain descent with a crappy road surface - and that speed is without even trying. I'll never touch those tyres ever again.

The reviews here and elsewhere seem quite polarised on the 5000s. Maybe I’ll give them a miss - don’t want to find myself in the disappointed camp.

I’ll have a look at the Pirellis and the S-Works.

Keep the recommendations coming.

[LateStarter]

Well like everything cycling there is a huge spread of opinion regarding tyres and GP5000 but in numerous "what were you riding" blogs they stand out as the preferred tyre in last years Paris-Brest-Paris 1200 (6500 riders) and Audaxing generally for a good reliable long distance all round tyre and people are creeping up the sizes, 28 & 32 getting popular, comfort preferred over absolute speed.

I am just waiting for my GP4000 (28s) to finally wear out as they again pass 10,000kms+, rear getting close, front probably another few 1000

[warthog1]

The reviews here and elsewhere seem quite polarised on the 5000s. Maybe I’ll give them a miss - don’t want to find myself in the disappointed camp.

I’ll have a look at the Pirellis and the S-Works.

Keep the recommendations coming.

It is not a major purchase mate.
They wear out.
If you don't like em don't buy em again.
With respect to the rear tyre locking under braking well the physics don't lie.
https://images.app.goo.gl/MA3XDRibNqLKRkb79
If you are braking hard the back tyre aint going to do alot.
The centre of gravity is probably higher on a bicycle though the motorcycles front suspension compressing contributes to the wheel lift
If the front was locking more of a concern imo.

[trailgumby]

From what I’ve read, the GP5000’s are a relatively minor evolution of the GP4000’s. If you liked the GP4000’s you’ll probably also like the GP5000’s.

Not the same chemists though. I'm led to udnerstand they were poached from Continental by Specialized and are the people responsible for theirTurbo Cotton series of tyres.

[biker jk]

From what I’ve read, the GP5000’s are a relatively minor evolution of the GP4000’s. If you liked the GP4000’s you’ll probably also like the GP5000’s.

Not the same chemists though. I'm led to udnerstand they were poached from Continental by Specialized and are the people responsible for theirTurbo Cotton series of tyres.

He then went to Schwalbe and now has his own company, Wolfpack Tyres.

[trailgumby]

From what I’ve read, the GP5000’s are a relatively minor evolution of the GP4000’s. If you liked the GP4000’s you’ll probably also like the GP5000’s.

Not the same chemists though. I'm led to udnerstand they were poached from Continental by Specialized and are the people responsible for theirTurbo Cotton series of tyres.

He then went to Schwalbe and now has his own company, Wolfpack Tyres.

Interesting!

[lone rider]

Never used 4000's but currently have 5's and won't be buying again. Shocking to fit due to the snakeskin sidewall stuff they have, they have little give in them. As mentioned earlier they are not supple compared to a Vittoria corsa or similarly known race tyre. In terms of feel they ride similar to something like a Schwable Durano IMO. I've never bought Conti's before in about 10 years of road riding and given what I've previously read what expecting a fair bit different.

[robbo mcs]

Never used 4000's but currently have 5's and won't be buying again. Shocking to fit due to the snakeskin sidewall stuff they have, they have little give in them. As mentioned earlier they are not supple compared to a Vittoria corsa or similarly known race tyre. In terms of feel they ride similar to something like a Schwable Durano IMO. I've never bought Conti's before in about 10 years of road riding and given what I've previously read what expecting a fair bit different.

I changed one bike from Durano's to 5000's and I can tell you there is absolutely no comparison. 5000's are way more supple. Also I had no problems fitting mine, whereas duranos were a pig.

I'm wondering do you have the tubeless 5000 version by any chance? They have a much thicker sidewall construction than the non tubeless