War on cars

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Re: War on cars

Postby mikesbytes » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:45 am

Bit of artwork in this thread, I had an idea for a cartoon, can anyone draw?
Frame one. Couple of motorists driving along with a couple of cyclists riding along the side. It's labelled 40kph. One of the motorists says "Dam cyclists they should be banned"
Frame two. The cyclists go poof, ie a cloud
Frame three. The cars have increased from 2 to 4 with the cyclists clearly visible in the the 2 additional cars. It's labelled 20kph.
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am

mikesbytes wrote:Bit of artwork in this thread, I had an idea for a cartoon, can anyone draw?
Frame one. Couple of motorists driving along with a couple of cyclists riding along the side. It's labelled 40kph. One of the motorists says "Dam cyclists they should be banned"
Frame two. The cyclists go poof, ie a cloud
Frame three. The cars have increased from 2 to 4 with the cyclists clearly visible in the the 2 additional cars. It's labelled 20kph.
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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:10 am

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3345366

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A century ago, captains of industry and their allies in government launched a social experiment in urban America: the abandonment of mass transit in favor of a new personal technology, the private automobile. Decades of public and private investment in this shift have created a car-centric landscape with Dickensian consequences.

In the United States, motor vehicles are now the leading killer of children and the top producers of greenhouse gases. They rack up trillions of dollars in direct and indirect costs annually, and the most vulnerable—children, the poor, and people of color or with disabilities—pay the steepest price. The appeal of cars’ convenience and the lack of meaningful alternatives has created a public health catastrophe.

Many of the automobile’s social costs originate in the individual preferences of consumers, but an overlooked amount is encouraged—indeed enforced—by law. Yes, the U.S. is car-dependent by choice. But it is also car-dependent by law.

This Article conceptualizes this problem, and offers a way out. It begins by identifying a submerged, disconnected system of rules that furnish indirect yet extravagant subsidies to driving. These subsidies lower the price of driving by comprehensively reassigning its costs to non-drivers and society at large. They are found in every field of law, from traffic law to land use regulation to tax, tort, and environmental law. Law’s role is not primary, and at times it is even constructive. But where it is destructive, it is uniquely so: law not only inflames a public health emergency but legitimizes it, extending its longevity.

The Article urges a teardown of this regime. It also calls for a basic reorientation of relevant law towards consensus social priorities, such as health, prosperity, and equity.

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Re: War on cars

Postby mikesbytes » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:20 pm

opik_bidin wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:Bit of artwork in this thread, I had an idea for a cartoon, can anyone draw?
Frame one. Couple of motorists driving along with a couple of cyclists riding along the side. It's labelled 40kph. One of the motorists says "Dam cyclists they should be banned"
Frame two. The cyclists go poof, ie a cloud
Frame three. The cars have increased from 2 to 4 with the cyclists clearly visible in the the 2 additional cars. It's labelled 20kph.
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If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Roads Australia says: we got it wrong.

Postby Thoglette » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:49 pm

OP ED - Have we backed the wrong horse in the Transport Stakes?
Roads Australia President, David Stuart-Watt wrote: Late last year, Roads Australia led a delegation of public and private sector leaders to Tokyo, Seoul and Singapore to get a better understanding of how these cities are coping with population growth, transport and livability.

The conclusion we drew is that ordinary Australians, businesses and governments require an urgent and major change of mindset if we’re to maintain both our standard of living and our sanity.

In essence, the Australian love affair with the car needs to come to an end. In its place, we need to invest massively and exponentially in the renewal and expansion of our public transport infrastructure and modes.
(via BN/BV)

This ranks up there with RAC WA recommending building rail infrastructure and cycle paths rather than freeways, which, by the way, they've done for the last three years.
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Re: War on cars

Postby queequeg » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:40 pm

Just mucking about yesterday with my Fly12CE, as I have never actually made a video from it.

This is the M2 in the morning, pretty much every day. Traffic backed up from the Lane Cove Tunnel all the way past Pennant Hills Rd some 10km away. I was having a leisurely cruise at 33km/h avg for the 10km, with a dodgy eg. I'd normally be ripping along there at 45km/h (it's mostly downhill). Fastest I have ever done the 10km is 11m45s (49.6km/h avg), which according to Strava is still good enough for 19th overall out of 1392 riders.

As you can see, the recent(ish) $500 million congestion busting upgrade is working really well

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Re: War on cars

Postby Thoglette » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:19 pm

queequeg wrote:As you can see, the recent(ish) $500 million congestion busting upgrade is working really well
Time to invert the pyramid (from BN/BV)
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Re: War on cars

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Re: War on cars

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:56 pm

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/sto ... -shifting/

Wollongong City Council has defended its treatment of congestion in the northern suburbs, saying traffic should be considered separately from individual developments.

But the council has shown little sign it will take any meaningful action over the cumulative effects of increased housing density.

The council had been criticised after the Wollongong Local Planning Panel said it should review the cumulative effects of development around Thirroul, to see how much more the existing infrastructure could handle.


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Re: War on cars

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Re: War on cars

Postby hunch » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 am

brumby33 wrote:The power sector is one of the key election issues coming up in the next election, each side wanting renewables but they need baseline power in the meantime until technology catches up.....I'm a strong believer in nuclear energy because for the size of the mineral, it's far being the most energy dense mineral on the planet, we here in Australia have about 60% of the worlds nuclear product and when used in power stations, it's totally carbon neutral.
Yes Japan and Russia had issues with nuclear, power and it's not to be messed around with but for pound on pound, it's the cheapest mineral we can use and tenfold more productive than coal. Japan would've been ok only for the massive earthquake and Tsunami, their power stations were made to withstand over 8 on the reichter scale where the Fukushima plants were subject to a historic 9. But these power stations were also 40 years old, were about to be retired and shutdown the year after the earthquake hit. Don't remember back much about kernobal without googling it's history but they can make more stronger, safer nuclear power stations these days, even smaller ones and we don't have major Earthquake issues in Australia...a few tremors here n there apart from Newcastle in 89 but most of Newcastle is undermined...tunnels everywhere underneath most parts of the Hunter region.
Bit of a weird diversion.

Uranium is hardly the issue. In NSW at least, with privatised power generation, if they're saying new coal fired plant is uneconomic and hard to find a lender, imagine trying to get money for something that will probably cost 3 times as much if you went for an off-the-shelf nuke. Then you have to factor in operating and decommissioning costs, which will be far greater than the build costs by some multiples. You'd probably be looking at government run plant or large taxpayer concessional loans before that ever happened in this State at least.

I wouldn't dismiss fears of tsunami either. Unfortunately, with their prodigious thirst, they will have to sited on the coast, possibly with a desal plant to minimize maintenance. There's recent geological time scale evidence of a rather large one hitting the Shoalhaven at least, which probably means Sydney and Newcastle too, wave was estimated at 150' high, if I'm remembering correctly. Having seen boulders weighing hundreds of tonnes moved during the 1974 storm, I wouldn't bet on a "stronger, safer" plant surviving a repeat.

I see Raphael Grzebieta won an international safety award a few months back too, having read his Senate testimony a while back, you have to think it was for conceit!

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Re: War on cars

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:54 am

https://www.greenslips.com.au/blog/how- ... r-ads.html

The Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) manages the Voluntary Code of Practice for Motor Vehicle Advertising Code. The code warns advertisers against making ads that show:

1.Unsafe driving
2.Driving above speed limits or in breach of any law
3.Driving while fatigued or under the influence
4. Deliberate and significant environmental damage.
The code says car ads must not show driving that breaks any road safety or traffic regulation anywhere in Australia,

ASB recently banned these ads too:

1.Video of a Bentley Continental GT because it went 330kmh on the NT Stuart Highway
2.Volkswagen Amarok ‘Too Powerful for TV’ ad because it overtook road trains
3.Lexus LC500 commercial because it showed the rear wheels spinning momentarily
4.Battery-powered BMWi3 because it created smoke and spun its wheels.

For example, one reviewer described Supercheap Auto’s Welcome to Octane Island as “every revhead’s idea of car porn”. Filmed in the US, Australia and Japan, it used a dozen 1,200 horsepower cars, 40 sets of tyres and “plenty of attitude”. This ad was not banned.

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:04 am

https://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/newsr ... aMM72apAF0

Some of Australia’s fiercest advocates of road building and the car-based lifestyle are starting to have second thoughts: maybe more cars aren’t the answer to moving people today?

In a move that has stunned Australia’s hide-bound transport brotherhood, leading lobby group Roads Australia has called for “Australia's love affair with the car to come to an end”.

Instead they want massive investment in public transport infrastructure.

"Have we backed the wrong horse in the transport stakes?” Roads Australia president, David Stuart-Watt asks.

"In essence, the Australian love affair with the car needs to come to an end. In its place, we need to invest massively and exponentially in the renewal and expansion of our public transport infrastructure and modes”, Mr Stuart-Watt said.

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Re: War on cars

Postby bychosis » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:16 am

opik_bidin wrote:https://www.greenslips.com.au/blog/how- ... r-ads.html

The Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) manages the Voluntary Code of Practice for Motor Vehicle Advertising Code. The code warns advertisers against making ads that show:

1.Unsafe driving
2.Driving above speed limits or in breach of any law
3.Driving while fatigued or under the influence
4. Deliberate and significant environmental damage.
The code says car ads must not show driving that breaks any road safety or traffic regulation anywhere in Australia,

ASB recently banned these ads too:

1.Video of a Bentley Continental GT because it went 330kmh on the NT Stuart Highway
2.Volkswagen Amarok ‘Too Powerful for TV’ ad because it overtook road trains
3.Lexus LC500 commercial because it showed the rear wheels spinning momentarily
4.Battery-powered BMWi3 because it created smoke and spun its wheels.

For example, one reviewer described Supercheap Auto’s Welcome to Octane Island as “every revhead’s idea of car porn”. Filmed in the US, Australia and Japan, it used a dozen 1,200 horsepower cars, 40 sets of tyres and “plenty of attitude”. This ad was not banned.
Notice that lots of car adds now are for suvs, utes etc. they get around the ‘boring’ factor of on road rules by showing the vehicles tearing up the beach, rivers, open spaces to get out here and have a good time. Adds for sedans and hatches seem to be on the decline, they are selling the brand with the hero off road vehicles and those that don’t get suckered in to he latest 4wd will just pick up whatever is left over in the showroom.
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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:40 am

bychosis wrote:
Notice that lots of car adds now are for suvs, utes etc. they get around the ‘boring’ factor of on road rules by showing the vehicles tearing up the beach, rivers, open spaces to get out here and have a good time. Adds for sedans and hatches seem to be on the decline, they are selling the brand with the hero off road vehicles and those that don’t get suckered in to he latest 4wd will just pick up whatever is left over in the showroom.
That is a problem, These SUV and UTEs are heavier,eats more fuel, more deadly and eat more space, especially for parking. something needs to be done, otherwise theyll sell bigger and bigger things to the size of a truck

Here is one problem that could arise:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... d03fc40d10

notice how the language media use :
"Man furious after facing fine for parking in his own driveway"

It isn't his own driveway, its a part of the footpath. No wonder drivers feel so entitled as from the title itself it defends the driver. What if the title was a true one:

"Man furious after facing fine for taking space of the footpath"

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:00 am

Whenever Someone mentions Rego, insurance, plate, cycleway budget etc, I see many cyclists get suck into the discussion that cyclists should be treated the same and pay the same.

Thing is cyclists are different and we should look at the whole budget. It is not the cyclists fault that drivers pay so much for their cars. And we should also look at the budget set aside foir the car. If you at the cost of road building and widening, and the percentage of budget allocated to cycling, the drivers get more subsidy.

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and then, say, Insurance, rego and plating for bikes aren't fair if they are the same, let have usage based fee and insurance which consist of these:
1. Weight
2. Speed
3. Distance
4. Space (parking and moving)
5. Danger (on yourself and others)

Lets start from parking, streets and roads isn't for storing your private property, if you do, pay the price, don't be a welfare King/queen

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Re: War on cars

Postby bychosis » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:09 pm

opik_bidin wrote:That is a problem, These SUV and UTEs are heavier,eats more fuel, more deadly and eat more space, especially for parking. something needs to be done, otherwise theyll sell bigger and bigger things to the size of a truck
Indeed. A few years ago you’d go for months without seeing an American pickup on the roads, F150, RAM, Tundra etc. now I’m seeing them almost daily. Big trucks are now a common sight, at least around here.
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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:49 pm

Very relevant related the new motorways being built

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Re: War on cars

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:51 pm

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Re: War on cars

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Re: War on cars

Postby brumby33 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:00 pm

Lovin' the cartoons :D
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Re: War on cars

Postby baabaa » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:23 am

brumby33 wrote:Lovin' the cartoons :D
Maybe but unless they are opik_bidin own work, they deserve to be credited as such.
It is not hard to do so when the thought and effort behind any cartoon is heavy.

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Re: War on cars

Postby Bunged Knee » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:43 am

baabaa wrote:
brumby33 wrote:Lovin' the cartoons :D
Maybe but unless they are opik_bidin own work, they deserve to be credited as such.
No, he didn't as he pasted it from the web and again and again.
And more if you search it in the web.
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