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BNA Losers Club

Postby Nobody » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:57 am

Welcome to the BNA Losers Club.
A thread for people to post their weights and measurements.


Waist to Height Ratio (WHtR)
It's basically about measuring your waist at the mid point between the lowest rib and the upper part of your exposed hip bone, just above where your belt usually sits. Then dividing that measurement by your height. According to the inventor of the standard, it is said to be a better indicator of body shape and therefore body composition than Body Mass Index (BMI, explained below). It is also said to be less impacted by extremes of height than BMI. The OK zone (green on chart) is a measurement result ratio between 0.4 and 0.5. Endurance athletes have been measured at approximately < 0.43. So my goal range is between 0.41 and 0.43.
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http://www.ashwell.uk.com/images/2011%2 ... Charts.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-to-height_ratio

Estimate of Body Fat Percentage
Here is the U.S. Navy's Body Composition Assessment guide. They use waist circumference - which appears to be the same measurement used for WHtR - neck circumference and height, to estimate percentage of body fat.

For those who are interested enough to take the 3 measurements, but aren't interested enough to read the guide, Calculator.com has this online calculator which is based on the Navy's guide. The guide does say "This is only an estimate and the official BCA is determined once entered in PRIMS." (page 9, 3b). So it might be OK for a "ball park", or vague assessment.

The argument for weighing yourself frequently
A two-year Cornell study, recently published in the Journal of Obesity, found that frequent self-weighing and tracking results on a chart were effective for both losing weight and keeping it off, especially for men.
The method “forces you to be aware of the connection between your eating and your weight,”
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/06 ... your-favor
In conclusion, although there were methodological limitations to the studies reviewed, there was ample evidence for the consistent and significant positive relationship between self-monitoring diet, physical activity or weight and successful outcomes related to weight management.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3268700/

Weight and Body Mass Index (BMI)
There is no problem with just posting weights alone, but it doesn't mean much to others. The same applies with waist measurements. So if you want others to know at what stage of weight loss you're at, I encourage you to give a height reference, or calculate your BMI. To calculate, it is your weight (W) in kg, divided by the square of your height (Ht) in metres, or BMI = W / Ht^2.

Measurement consistency.The best time to measure your waist and weigh yourself for consistency is before breakfast. There is no point in weighing your food, drink and clothing. Obviously if you need to wear clothes to use the scales, then best to know the clothes' weight to subtract from the total. Also on the day before weighing it is best to eat whatever your normal diet is, including regular amounts. If you end up doing exercise the day before and lose some hydration in the process, then try to take that into account. For most consistent results, your hydration needs to be consistent as it's a significant factor in what you weigh.

The below graphs are from this study on BMI versus all-cause mortality. The data used is most likely of people who were clothed and ate breakfast etc before being weighted in a doctor's office. Consequently they would be at least 2 kg heavier than the results one might get by using the method listed above. Something to keep in mind for comparisons.

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Graphs below are from another study here showing the ideal BMI to be even lower.
Jee and colleagues published a detailed analysis of BMI and CHD incidence among 133 740 Korean participants during nine years of follow-up (Jee et al., 2005). After adjustment for age, sex, and smoking status, each 1-unit increase in BMI was associated with a 14% (95% CI, 12–16%) increased risk of incident CHD. Compared with a BMI of 18–18.9, even a normal BMI of 24–24.9 was associated with a twofold increased risk of CHD.
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Diet, exercise, or both for weight loss?
The two main factors that influence weight are diet and exercise. Being a cycling forum, most will try to increase their exercise to lose weight. But the study below shows that of the total weight loss equation, diet is 78% and exercise is 22%. Both significant diet change and exercise together is obviously better. Interestingly, the part of genetics in the variability of body weight between people is said to only be 3%. So almost all of what we see in differences between people are due to lifestyle factors.
The following is from a the American Institute for Cancer Research blog which summarises a recent study comparing diet and exercise in weight loss.
After 12 months, women in the exercise group lost 2.4% of their body weight; diet only reduced by 8.5% and those exercising and dieting lost 10.8% of their weight. And the more they lost, the more their biomarkers were reduced.
http://blog.aicr.org/2016/07/15/study-l ... more-18206

The Diet Thread is available to discuss diet, or if you have any questions relating to diet..

Some Guides on Healthy Eating

I have posted some guides which can be found here.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:21 pm

Jeez. I haven’t been 72.6kg since I was a pre pubescent stick. But I am here for another year.

Gonna do my weigh in on Mondays in an effort to minimise my weekend binges.

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.46
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm

Goal 75kg
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby RobertL » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:57 am

Thanks for doing this, Nobody. I weighed in the other day at 94.7kg. My lowest last year was 94.5kg in late October, before I went overseas for a month and then had a Christmas break.

So, I'm pretty happy with where I am, and now getting back into the swing of things.

My goals are modest:
1. get under 90kg. My WtHR is now just under 0.5, so into the healthy range, but my BMI is just over 26. To get under 25 and into the healthy range, I need to get to about 89.5kg.
2. measure my waist more often (I'm a bit lazy with that).

Hmm, I've just looked at the midpoint of the BMI healthy range - 21.75 BMI. To get to that I'd have to be about 79kg :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Nobody » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:22 pm

RobertL wrote:Thanks for doing this, Nobody.
You're welcome. :)
I'll probably be posting my waist and weight later this month as I need to keep on top of larger trends.
RobertL wrote:Hmm, I've just looked at the midpoint of the BMI healthy range - 21.75 BMI. To get to that I'd have to be about 79kg :shock: :shock: :shock:
I still remember being given an ideal weight figure of 73 kg by a naturopath. I was shocked and though it was unachieveable since I was over 80 kg and riding at the time. But since the diet change I'm now around 61 kg, which now makes the 73 kg ideal look too high for me. If I hadn't changed my diet I would probably still be hovering around 80 kg, wondering how I'm ever going to get down to 73 kg.

You taller guys are going to read slightly high for BMI since the the most accurate exponent is considered to be 2.25 rather than squared for height. Mine is likely reading slightly low. WHtR AFAIK is an even playing field. Ashwell (creator of WHtR) has a wide range of 0.4 - 0.5 for the "OK" range. But the male college swimmer listing of 0.428 in the Wikipedia article suggests that 0.43 might be an ideal ratio for men to aim for.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby fergy1987 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 pm

This ideal weight cannot be correct surely. I'm 5'4 and 66kgs and still apparently 12kg overweight according to this. Granted I am not in the best shape I have been but I think the last time I was 54kgs I was probably like 15 years old and playing soccer 4 times a week, doing athletics etc etc.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby RobertL » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:31 pm

Nobody wrote:
RobertL wrote:Thanks for doing this, Nobody.
You're welcome. :)
I'll probably be posting my waist and weight later this month as I need to keep on top of larger trends.
RobertL wrote:Hmm, I've just looked at the midpoint of the BMI healthy range - 21.75 BMI. To get to that I'd have to be about 79kg :shock: :shock: :shock:
I still remember being given an ideal weight figure of 73 kg by a naturopath. I was shocked and though it was unachieveable since I was over 80 kg and riding at the time. But since the diet change I'm now around 61 kg, which now makes the 73 kg ideal look too high for me. If I hadn't changed my diet I would probably still be hovering around 80 kg, wondering how I'm ever going to get down to 73 kg.

You taller guys are going to read slightly high for BMI since the the most accurate exponent is considered to be 2.25 rather than squared for height. Mine is likely reading slightly low. WHtR AFAIK is an even playing field. Ashwell (creator of WHtR) has a wide range of 0.4 - 0.5 for the "OK" range. But the male college swimmer listing of 0.428 in the Wikipedia article suggests that 0.43 might be an ideal ratio for men to aim for.
Hmmm. Plenty for me to think about, then...

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Nobody » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:20 pm

fergy1987 wrote:This ideal weight cannot be correct surely. I'm 5'4 and 66kgs and still apparently 12kg overweight according to this. Granted I am not in the best shape I have been but I think the last time I was 54kgs I was probably like 15 years old and playing soccer 4 times a week, doing athletics etc etc.
Depends what you're happy with. Kempner's ideal weight is for maximum health. He even specified 10 to 15% lighter than listed for some conditions. You can see from the study's graphs at the bottom of the first post that BMI 21 is about ideal for longevity. Which isn't much higher than Kempner's ideal weight. Below is a general ideal weight calculator. Some of the formula results almost match Kempner's.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/ideal-weight-calculator/

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Nobody » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:51 am

History from Sept 2013:
Waist 90cm, WHtR 0.52
82 kg, BMI 27.7

Today:
Waist 74 cm, WHtR 0.43
60.8 kg, BMI 20.6

Maintenance goal ranges:- waist 73 - 75 cm; weight 60 - 63 kg

I'll add that I'm 51 years old and therefore well into my "middle age spread" years. From my history it can be seen that I'm not genetically gifted for weight maintenance. My results therefore show that with a well structured diet and lifestyle changes that most should be able to eventually achieve a WHtR under 0.44 and a BMI under 23.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby colinmc400 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:29 pm

Probably should have added my bit last year. I took the plunge on WLS in Oct 2017 and managed to go from 135kg to my current 87kg, so a drop of 48kg. As you can imagine the cycling has taken a massive boost, especially up hill. I am 53 next month, 182cm and i think 87kg is enough now and means i can still have a life, without starving myself. If you just took BMI alone, it would still have me as fair and square overweight, but a WTHR is just under .5, so healthy. My surgeon and dietician are no longer setting any goals for me, so can hopefully keep it going at about this level.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:37 am

Patt0 wrote:
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm

Goal 75kg
14/01
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=84kg
Waist= 82cm

21/01

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.46
Weight=88kg
Waist= 84cm

Holidaying at TDU for a week saw the food intake go up and the riding go down. 3 meals/day, cakes, hamburgers, all you can eat Korean charcoal, and ice coffees :lol: So bit of extra fuel to optimize my endurance.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:39 am

colinmc400 wrote: go from 135kg to my current 87kg, so a drop of 48kg.
Congrats!
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby RobertL » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:11 am

I haven't measured my weight and waist and checked in here properly for a while, so here goes:

Date Height Weight Waist BMI WtHR
30/06/2015 189.5 120 n/a 33.42 n/a
06/01/2017 189.5 108.2 112 30.13 0.591
25/01/2017 189.5 107.8 111 30.02 0.586
16/02/2017 189.5 106.8 110 29.74 0.580
03/04/2017 189.5 105.9 107 29.49 0.565
01/06/2017 189.5 105.3 106 29.32 0.559
13/07/2017 189.5 104.6 105 29.13 0.554
07/08/2017 189.5 103.7 105 28.88 0.554
04/09/2017 189.5 102.1 104 28.43 0.549
22/11/2017 189.5 101.6 103 28.29 0.544
04/01/2018 189.5 100.7 102 28.04 0.538
14/02/2018 189.5 99.1 101 27.60 0.533
30/04/2018 189.5 98.5 100 27.43 0.528
21/05/2018 189.5 97.1 98 27.04 0.517
18/06/2018 189.5 96.4 98 26.84 0.517
23/07/2018 189.5 96.1 97 26.76 0.512
30/07/2018 189.5 95.9 96 26.71 0.504
02/08/2018 189.5 95.6 95 26.62 0.501
23/08/2018 189.5 95.0 95 26.45 0.501
18/10/2018 189.5 94.5 94 26.32 0.496
25/01/2019 189.5 94.3 94 26.26 0.496

So, after basically stalling through November-December while I was overseas on holidays and then having a lazy Christmas, I'm back in the game.

Sub-90kg is the first, obvious target, and then who knows...

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby g-boaf » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:27 am

I'm down to 58kg. Was at 60kg. It has taken a month to get there. I'm 175cm.
colinmc400 wrote:I took the plunge on WLS in Oct 2017 and managed to go from 135kg to my current 87kg, so a drop of 48kg.
That's a huge drop - well done. Keep it going. :)

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:23 pm

Patt0 wrote:
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm

Goal 75kg

21/01

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.46
Weight=88kg
Waist= 84cm
29/01

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.46
Weight=87kg
Waist= 84cm
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:24 am

Patt0 wrote:
Patt0 wrote: Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm

Goal 75kg

21/01
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.46
Weight=88kg
Waist= 84cm
29/01
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.46
Weight=87kg
Waist= 84cm
04/02

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=86kg
Waist= 82cm
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 am

Patt0 wrote: 04/02
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=86kg
Waist= 82cm

11/02
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby RobertL » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:02 am

Well, things are looking good...

Date Weight Waist BMI WtHR

30/06/2015 120 n/a 33.42 n/a

06/01/2017 108.2 112 30.13 0.591

04/01/2018 100.7 102 28.04 0.538

18/06/2018 96.4 98 26.84 0.517

23/08/2018 95.0 95 26.45 0.501

18/10/2018 94.5 94 26.32 0.496

25/01/2019 94.3 94 26.26 0.496

10/02/2019 93.1 92 25.93 0.485

(Height = 189.5cm)

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Nobody » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:35 am

Last post 28 days ago.

Today:
62.4 kg - Up 1.6 kg
BMI 21.1

Been trying to increase strength by lifting more and eating more legumes and grains. A large component of my weight gain will likely be fat. But I'm also seeing some strength gains. For me, weight gain or loss is mainly about calorie density and macro-nutrient ratio.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:52 pm

Patt0 wrote: 11/02
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=85kg
Waist= 82cm

19/02
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=84kg
Waist= 82cm

gonna measure calories to see if I can speed this up to 1.25kg week.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby Patt0 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:18 pm

Patt0 wrote: 19/02
Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=84kg
Waist= 82cm
gonna measure calories to see if I can speed this up to 1.25kg week.
So one month of 400g(dry weight) of rice and a little fruit, nothing else.

Height=183cm
WtHtr = 0.45
Weight=86kg
Waist= 82cm
:oops: my t-rex physique is going out the window. Starting to get a few pains and niggles here and there. Hopefully my body is starting to run low on protein and shed some mass.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby g-boaf » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:51 pm

I've got down to 57kg and seem to be staying there. At 175cm.

I haven't been changing what I'm eating - but the consistent 500km per week riding is doing the trick.

My average power has been going up as well which is probably all that riding plus a bit of paying attention to the way I pedal.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby g-boaf » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:52 pm

Down to 56.5kg when I got home tonight. Don't know about all the other metrics people are writing.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby illdrag0n » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:26 am

Week 1: Friday 1st of March 163.3kg
Week 2: Friday 8th of March 161.6kg
Week 3: Friday 15th of March 160.7kg
Week 4: Friday 22th of March 159.2
Week 5: Friday 29th of March 157.6kg
Week 6: Friday 5th of April 157.3kg
Week 7: Friday 12th of April 155.2kg

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby nemo57 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:57 am

illdrag0n wrote:Week 1: Friday 1st of March 163.3kg
Week 2: Friday 8th of March 161.6kg
Week 3: Friday 15th of March 160.7kg
Week 4: Friday 22th of March 159.2
Week 5: Friday 29th of March 157.6kg
Week 6: Friday 5th of April 157.3kg
Week 7: Friday 12th of April 155.2kg
That is mighty!
Would I be right in thinking that you're gaining endurance and strength, and so able to burn off more and more? That, at least, was my experience when I started riding semi-seriously last year. Lost about 13% of my total mass over the year, and while it's plateaued since then, I'm not too fussed about it.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2019

Postby illdrag0n » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:58 am

nemo57 wrote:
illdrag0n wrote:Week 1: Friday 1st of March 163.3kg
Week 2: Friday 8th of March 161.6kg
Week 3: Friday 15th of March 160.7kg
Week 4: Friday 22th of March 159.2
Week 5: Friday 29th of March 157.6kg
Week 6: Friday 5th of April 157.3kg
Week 7: Friday 12th of April 155.2kg
That is mighty!
Would I be right in thinking that you're gaining endurance and strength, and so able to burn off more and more? That, at least, was my experience when I started riding semi-seriously last year. Lost about 13% of my total mass over the year, and while it's plateaued since then, I'm not too fussed about it.
Kind of stable. As i get fitter and lighter, my calorie burn isn't as high but i can cycle for longer. Evens itself out i guess

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