Path closed behind Perth Arena
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby rolandp » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:49 pm
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:19 pm
The emails from the Arena indicate that there is/will be work going on. There has not been any work undertaken on this path area in the past 6 weeks that I have resumed my travels along this route. There was no work being undertaken in the earlier part of the year.
This footpath has now been closed since Christmas 2016, with little or no work being undertaken.
Emails to Perth Arena indicate a very arrogant response that this is private property and that they have the right to close this major access path on a whim.
So lets go way back to when there was no Arena. The carpark that was there before the Arena was the connection between the footbridge to Northbridge and the existing footpath to West Perth. I do remember riding across that carpark in 2006 before the arena was built.
When the Arena was built (with Federal/State and Perth funds) it was a condition of the building to maintain this access way from the city/Northbridge. Remember that at that time there was the pedestrian/cycle bridge to Northbridge
Now back to the Private Property argument put forward by the Arena management. Perth Arena is a State government enterprise under the VenuesWest logo. I can understand closures for event reasons, but there would be a major outcry if the roads footpaths through HBF (Challenge) stadium were closed for this period of time. Perth Arena is a similar state government funded body. It is not a private company.
The path itself...... from what I can see - most of that path is owned by State Government Public Transport and not owned by the State Government VenuesWest. I suspect that this route is also covered by a major drainage/sewerage easement with access at all times to Water Corporation .
The only conclusion that can be drawn is that Perth Arena is seeking to close of this arterial footpath connecting Perth City to West Perth.
This flies in the path of State Government policy to encourage bikeriding and pedestrian access. The closure of this path is acting as an unnecessary restriction to a safe pedestrian and bike access between Northbridge and West Perth/Harbourtown.
The only reason that can be deduced for the closure is that somewhere in Perth Arena someone has a dislike for either bike riders or pedestrians using their private path.
Could I urge you to again contact Perth Arena, Bikewest, Perth Council and your local state government members to get this footpath reopened.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby rolandp » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:03 pm
I've used this fact in previous correspondence on this location.A Principal Shared Path (PSP) currently dissects the study area and there is one in close proximity. PSP Route 15 travels in an east west direction along the PerthFremantle railway line. It traverses the southern side of the railway line west of the existing PSP bridge, adjacent to the entertainment Centre complex, and Roe Street on the eastern side of the PSP bridge. It has been established through discussions with the Department of Planning and Infrastructure that PSP Route 15 is the busiest in the metropolitan area, as the section running on the southern side of the railway carries 1,200 cyclists per day and the section running on the northern end of the railway line carries 700 cyclists per day.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Scott_C » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:09 pm
It might be worth contacting CoP and seeing if they consider this a thoroughfare and have authorised this closure.
Edit: I have followed my own advice and contacted CoP. I'll get back to you with the outcome.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Thoglette » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:45 pm
Do let us know.Scott_C wrote:I have followed my own advice and contacted CoP. I'll get back to you with the outcome.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:28 am
"Footpath behind Perth Arena (owned by State Government and funded by Federal/State/Local Government) , linking Northbridge to West Perth has been closed by the management of Perth Arena for 8 months with no work being undertaken. The constant excuse by management is that work is ongoing. No work has been undertaken on this site for a long time.
This is a major link for pedestrian and cycle traffic in the Perth CBD and was installed to maintain the pedestrian access that was current with the old carpark and pedestrian bridge to Northbridge before the development of Perth arena and the rail underpass.
Could you please intercede with Perth Arena to reopen this footpath?"
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby dmwill » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:47 am
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby dmwill » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:08 am
-This is just in one direction, so you could probably double that number on the assumption that people make their return journey through here.
-Poor weather in recent weeks means there could potentially be hundreds more trips each week when there is good weather.
-This is just Strava, so once again there could potentially be hundreds more cyclists making trips down this route in the past month.
Today alone (which would have the be one of the nicest days so far this August weather wise), there was 116 cyclists passing through (once again, this is just in one direction).
Strava will only allow you to view stats for the current day, week, month and year. I'm trying to see if I can obtain stats for all of 2017 and break it up month by month.
Be interesting to provide these stats to CoP, Main Roads and Arena management.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:28 pm
The Transport Unit understands your frustration regarding the issue of Perth Arena having the PSP to the rear closed at present.
As you may not be aware this path is the responsibility of Arena management and is not designated as a ‘shared path’, but instead, the official cycling route runs along Wellington Street.
The City of Perth have received a number of complaints from members of the public and the Bicycling Western Australia organisation regarding the closure of the path at the rear of the Arena alongside the railway line.
Given that the City of Perth is regularly receiving correspondence from members of the public about the re-opening of this connection, we have written to the Arena about their plans for this path and/or when it will be reopened for public use.
This letter was distributed on 25th of July 2017 and we have yet to receive a response from Venues West Management at the Perth Arena. Should we receive information regarding this matter, the community will be appropriately informed.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:32 pm
I disagree with your comments on the path. This path has been in use for the past 10 years since the Commonwealth/State/Perth funded Arena was opened. The path was built as replacement for the existing footpath across the Perth Council owned land between the Northbridge footbridge and West Perth.
From what i can see, The land that the footpath is built on is government land vested with Venueswest (under Minister for Sport and Recreation) and Department of Transport. It is hardly private land. It is also part of a drainage reserve and also a fire escape route from the Arena.
Could you please follow directly with Perth Arena on your letter?
Appreciate your efforts, and look forward to your reply
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:35 pm
Thank you for your email. The City of Perth has no ability to require opening of the path. Regardless of vesting or ownership of the land, the Arena Management is responsible for the path and have indicated that it requires closure due to works being undertaken at height above the path. These works are not within the City of Perth remit and as such, the City have no control over the works or the Arena’s justification for path closure.
Safety is a primary concern for the City of Perth and we must defer to Arena Management who are undertaking the works and control the site.
I agree that the path is an important connection for cyclists and the City of Perth is keen to provide a range of cycling route options. As such, we will continue to liaise with Perth Arena Management regarding the path opening
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Scott_C » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:04 am
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby nachoman » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:21 pm
"The path was closed due to remedial works being done in the area, these are continuing and we hope to open the path in the coming months"
So we may get to a full year of closure with very little work at all being observed.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby rolandp » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:48 pm
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby NewStew » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:45 am
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Scott_C » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:19 am
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby rolandp » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:28 am
And it has taken this long to finally report on it?VenuesWest chief executive David Etherton said it became aware of the issue in late 2016 after one glass panel broke.
Plus, this forum topic dates back to 2014, so was there another reason why the path has been periodically closed?
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby ninetubes » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:00 pm
Surely if it were, there would:
- Have clear markings like the rest of the PSP - especially to separate traffic in each direction
- Not routed through pre-event staging areas - it's impossible to use during events
- Not have handrails overhanging the path - SW corner
- Not have narrow, blind, slippery pedestrian interaction points
- Avoid additional vehicular interaction points
If this is a designated path, there is no way it would comply with whatever codes/standards the rest of the PSP is designed & constructed to.
It's an accident waiting to happen.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Scott_C » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:07 pm
Not only is the southern side of the Arena the officially designated path, the Department of Transport Cycling Route Map indicates that it is a "High Quality Shared Path" based on the line weight and colour used.ninetubes wrote:I struggle to believe that the southern side of the Arena is the officially designated PSP.
Surely if it were, there would:
- Have clear markings like the rest of the PSP - especially to separate traffic in each direction
- Not routed through pre-event staging areas - it's impossible to use during events
- Not have handrails overhanging the path - SW corner
- Not have narrow, blind, slippery pedestrian interaction points
- Avoid additional vehicular interaction points
If this is a designated path, there is no way it would comply with whatever codes/standards the rest of the PSP is designed & constructed to.
It's an accident waiting to happen.
Having had a look over the Route Map there a bunch of other BS like markings indicating that Leach highway has "Cycle Lanes or Wide Shoulders" on sections where there are zero shoulders and you are forced into the 3.5m wide vehicle lane with semi-trailers at 70kph (in particular the bridge over the Armadale line railway).
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Thoglette » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:36 am
Tried Russell road east of Stock road recently ? Another "primary route". My #$%aScott_C wrote:Having had a look over the Route Map there a bunch of other BS like markings
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby jaseyjase » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:17 pm
Whether or not its legit repair works or they just put a cherry picker with dummy panels to keep us off their backs who knows.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Scott_C » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:58 pm
I would expect the tender will take at least 2 weeks to award once it closes and then the Contractor still has to measure the dimensions of all the existing faulty panels before they can order replacement panels (by which time it will be Christmas and the factory is likely to close from Christmas to Australia day).
I would estimate that the path won't re-open until late February at the earliest (if they prioritise fixing the Northern façade first so they can open the path) with March/April not out of the question.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby Thoglette » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:32 am
Not sure. I suspect that it went something like this: they found water on the inside of the arena. Realised it wasn't spillage/plumbing and then went looking for a leak in the roof. Couldn't find a problem with the roof/walls. Kept chasing the trail of dampness (now there's a book title!) after every rain event until they finally discovered the broken glass. Then they had to start working out why the panel broke.rolandp wrote:Plus, this forum topic dates back to 2014, so was there another reason why the path has been periodically closed?
All while saying "nothing to see here, move along"
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:44 pm
Went for a look at lunchtime and the front footpath was also closed. Looks like they are doing significant works there also.
Looks like the place has a lot of problems. Might be best to avoid it for a fair while given the way it seems to be falling apart now though. Never know what might fall on you, and the path is closed for safety reasons.
I wonder if the panels have been checked to see if they are not the same as the London/Dubai ones.
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Re: Path closed behind Perth Arena
Postby radmac » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:16 pm
Remedial works are still in progress in the vicinity of the bike path, so it needs to remain closed. We appreciate that this is causing inconvenience to cyclists and pedestrians and are working to get the path open again as soon as we can.
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